Re: SEU support for Free format in the F and D specs

Of course IBM could try again and offer a free license - they'd probably raise the price of the compilers to cover it - but my view is that it would make little or no difference.

I spent years while with IBM, and even more years after leaving IBM, tying to persuade developers to update their programming skills and tools.

Like Jim I have sadly reached the conclusion that for a great many IBM i developers having a price put on RDi just gave them a "better" excuse not to learn it. They are content to remain coding RPG III style programs using SEU and without management pressure to change they never will.

The infuriating thing is that if management do insist that they switch and, more importantly, offer training so that they can use it fully - then a large percentage will recognize the benefits and happily keep using it.

It is somewhat pointless to discuss the topic here because the vast majority of the programmers who care enough about their trade to follow this list are not the ones stuck in their rut. Those that are on the list and unable to convince their management to pay (and a 120 day trial should really be long enough to convince your boss of the benefits) will probably use one of the free/low-cost alternatives. Others, like myself, will be sufficiently sold on the benefits to buy their own copy. I pay out my hard-earned $s every year and it is worth every cent.


Jon Paris

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On Dec 20, 2018, at 12:37 PM, John Yeung <gallium.arsenide@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 12:17 PM Jim Oberholtzer
<midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Well, I've been called "ignorant, shortsighted, or disingenuous" before, and
while it might make you feel better to back off a bit later, this is the
bottom line:

RDi is IBMs product to do with as they please.
You may purchase it or not. Your call.
You may use it or not, your call.

I never said anything to contradict those things, or even complain
about those things.

What I said is:

*IF* you claim that unbundling and charging separately *caused* RDi
adoption to increase, *THEN* you are ignorant, shortsighted, or
disingenuous. And "you" there means anyone.

I also implied that if you (again, anyone) use that argument to
*justify* policy, then... some unflattering things.

The fact is, I have always said (1) for most people, adoption of RDi
would be a net gain in productivity, (2) that gain in productivity
justifies its price, and (3) IBM is free to handle pricing and
distribution however they want.

John Y.
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