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I am currently using RDP 8.5, because the outline view does NOT blow up when I do NOT hard code the program name in the "PI" Procedure interface....

********** Hard-Coded Program-Name <Yuck!>****************
D MYPROGRAM PR
D MyParm_ LIKE(MyParm)
D MYPROGRAM PI
D MyParm 10

*********** No Hard-Coded name like *ENTRY *****************
D PI
D MyParm 10

RDP 8.0.3 just closes immediately, no Error, no message. When I try to build out line view. With no outline, of course I get no code-assist for fields... <BigFrown>

So, trying to use "Code-Assist" for a %BIF does NOT work in the newer RDP 8.5! WTF. But does work RDP 8.0.3, Why would a function work in one release, but not another?!?!?!

Yes, I have already begged my company to purchase RDI 9.0, but they said no until maybe 2nd quarter of 2014. Regardless, our contract I guess has already expired.

It is beyond me, why functionality that worked in all previous releases, would not work in another NEWER release. How was this release tested? Was it ever tested?

Okay, I am beating a dead-horse here, that I will admit... <rant rant>

I still have a sour taste in my mouth from this Doomed/Faulty Release RDP 8.5. I guess I assume no fix packs for RDP 8.5. They release Fix-packs for the OS for Power-Systems. And support back to the previous 2-releases. But, I guess that does NOT apply to Rational Developer.


-Ken Killian-


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Killian
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:39 AM
To: 'Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i & iSeries'
Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] DDS Designer Window subfile

Strange!

I happen to be using RDP 8.5, and it DOES NOT work, as I mentioned...

Went back to RDP 8.0.3, and it worked perfectly fine!!!

Have I ever mentioned what a @#$!@#$! Crappy release RDP 8.5 was?!?!? <Rant Rant>

Sadly, that was the release I show a lot of the newbie, once again, no wonder they said this is NOT Stable. Worked in Previous Release, but NOT this Release!

How I wish they would get me RDI 9.0

-Ken Killian-


-----Original Message-----
From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vernon Hamberg
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:23 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] DDS Designer Window subfile

Ken

I just took your sample - I'm using 9.0.0.1 - and opened a new DSPF member. Then I pasted it into the source tab. Went to the design tab, then clicked on SUBFILE - the window frame was there, along with the other bits from the CONTRL format.

The subfile is in green, the control is in gray.

I do have the "Draw records transparent" button pressed.

Might be a version difference - or be sure in your RDP to have pressed that button before showing things off.

HTH
Vern

On 10/10/2013 8:42 AM, Ken Killian wrote:
Even when I pick "Design Screens" and add the Subfile/Control formats.
The subfile is NOT shown inside the Window! WTF?!?!? I will have to be
careful NOT to show this in my presentation! <LOL>

Back to Stable SDA, for designing this window subfile. At least it works there!

I wish there was a simple way to toggle between opening in DDS Designer & LPEX. Yes, I know about the File association to say open up with the DDS Designer. But, that is global.
Window>Preferences>General>Editors>File Associations> I have DSPF to default to open with Screen Designer (DEFAULT).
Yeah, I click on the source table often for quick edits. But sometimes, it is nice to edit with good old LPEX.


-Ken Killian-

-----Original Message-----
From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tarr, Kenneth
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:17 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client
for System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] DDS Designer Window subfile

I have also experienced this behavior...

There are three tabs at the bottom of the design window, "Design", "Source" and "Preview". Design is the area you actually work on. As noted below, you can only see one item at a time, so you can only look at the Subfile Control or the Subfile record. Source allows you to look at the source. You can work on edit changes here as well. Preview is where you can view the screens together, so here you should be able to view both the Subfile Control and Subfile records together. Only difference is that you can't make any edit changes. You would have to go back to the Design tab to do that.

For me the problem is that you have to go back and forth between the two to make sure you're not overlapping any fields. If I remember, CODE Designer was much more flexible on this. So in my view, I believe there still is some desired functionality that was in CODE Designer that's not in DDS Designer. And if I recall right, CODE Designer was intuitive enough to know when you placed something on the screen as to which one it belonged to. It also did a better job of edit checking on the fly; that is, knowing if a name was already in use.

I'm not totally knocking DDS Designer; it does have some features unique to itself that makes it easier to work on some scenarios. But I believe it sets back development a bit when some of the nice features of CODE Designer didn't make their way to this one.

...and unfortunately, no one here has a copy of CODE anymore...yet it's funny to note RDi still shows it in the "Open with" list...

-----Original Message-----
From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Shaw
Sent: October 10, 2013 08:01 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client
for System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] DDS Designer Window subfile

Ken,

I see what you mean - on 9.0.0.1, Design Screens only shows either the CONTROL or the SUBFILE record, but not both. I checked it in CODE Designer (yep, still got the relic loaded), and it works as expected.


Dave Shaw


________________________________
From: Ken Killian <kkillian@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client
for System i & iSeries <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:35 AM
Subject: [WDSCI-L] DDS Designer Window subfile


Hi,

Using SDA for a subfile, window. I see the subfile inside the window!
<cool>

But, using the DDS Designer, the subfile is NOT placed in the window! Yikes!

Am I missing something?

Here is extremely simple code to verify this:

A DSPSIZ(24 80 *NORMAL)
A R SUBFILE SFL
A OPT 1A O 3 2
A TEXT 20A O 3 5
A R CONTROL SFLCTL(SUBFILE)
A SFLDSP
A SFLSIZ( 24)
A SFLPAG(0005)
A WINDOW(2 2 15 30)
A 2 1'opt'
A 2 6'text'

Pardon this dumb down example. But it displays properly inside SDA. Inside the DDS Designer the subfile is NOT shown in a window! What is the point of having a Visual Designer, when SDA works. But Ration Developer cannot display window!

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