Re: New 250 better than 170's from IBM on eBay

the 170s on ebay are processor feature #2164.  Cpw 125/29, unconstrained (
whatever that means ) 210/29.

the 250 CPW is 50/15 and 75/20.

so the 170 beats the 250 on the cpw front.

and from the ebay posting:
  3002 128MB Main Storage  6
  6813 8.58GB Disk Unit (S/  8

Does this mean those 170s have 6x128MB main storage and 8x8.58GB dasd ?

If so, then the 170s on ebay are a better deal for dasd and main memory than
the 250.

The only advantage I see the 250 having is V5R1 and the programming language
and websphere bundle.

What is doable and what is allowed re: programming languages, v5r1 and v4r5
on the 170?

 Can you do a full v4r5, v5r1 install on these 170s ?

Are you allowed to buy a cheaper model on ebay that comes with v4r5 and then
install on the 170 as replacement hardware for the cheaper model ?


Thanks,

Steve Richter




----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Massoglia" <cmassoglia@voyager.net>
To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:55 AM
Subject: New 250 better than 170's from IBM on eBay


How about a brand new model 250 feature 0297 with 256MB main storage, two
17.54 GB 10k rpm disk units, 100/10 Mbps Ethernet, OS/400 (P05), Query, SQL,
and Client Access for $4,800?  Of course it's only got a 4GB tape drive.

Finally a relatively affordable personal AS/400.  Unbelievable!

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IBM United States
Hardware Announcement 102-034
February 12, 2002

IBM e(logo)server iSeries Model 250 Packages
The change from custom to package ordering on the Model 250 simplifies your
initial decision and investment and allows for potential future expansion
and growth.
After your initial acquisition, you can add function and capacity as
required.
The two Model 250 packages are identical, except for the processor.
Package                Processor CPW           Interactive CPW

Entry (#0297)                50                       15
Growth (#0298)              75                       20

Each package contains:
256 MB main storage
PCI disk unit controller to support up to four internal disk units, one
internal tape, and one internal CD-ROM
Two 17.54 GB 10k rpm disk units
4 GB 1/4-inch cartridge tape
PCI 100/10 Mbps Ethernet IOA
PCI WAN/Twinaxial IOA
PCI 2-Line WAN IOA with modem
High system availability is crucial for small enterprises. The new Model 250
packages include mirrored disk protection.
Preloaded Software
Operating System/400® (5722-SS1)
Query for iSeries (5722-QU1)
DB2® Query Manager and SQL Development Kit for iSeries (5722-ST1)
iSeries Client Access Family (5722-XW1)
This software is in the PPS tier. Processor group P05 applies to Software
Subscription on the Model 250 packages.
Upgrades
Selected feature upgrades to installed Model 250 packages are available. MES
orders are not supported by the marketing configurator for Model 250
packages. However, since the Model 250 packages are equivalent to custom
Model 250 configurations, existing Model 250 documentation can be used to
determine configuration capability of the system. Upgrades from Entry to
Growth packages are not offered.
Optional Features
The following optional features are available for the packages:
V.24/EIA232 20-Ft PCI Cable (#0348)
V.24/EIA232 50-Ft PCI Cable (#0349)
V.35 20-Ft PCI Cable (#0353)
V.35 50-Ft PCI Cable (#0354)
V.36 20-Ft PCI Cable (#0356)
X.21 20-Ft PCI Cable (#0359)
X.21 50-Ft PCI Cable (#0360)
V.24/EIA232 80-Ft PCI Cable (#0365)
Operations Console PCI Cable (#0367)
PCI Two-Line WAN IOA (#2745)
PCI Twinaxial Workstation IOA (#2746)
PCI RAID Disk Unit Controller (#2763)
PCI 100/10Mbps Ethernet IOA (#2838)
128 MB Main Storage (#3022)
256 MB Main Storage (#3024)
17.54 GB 10k rpm Disk Unit (#6818)

Prices
The prices provided in this announcement are suggested retail prices for the
U.S. only and are provided for your information only. Dealer prices may
vary, and prices may also vary by country. Prices are subject to change
without notice. For additional information and current prices, contact your
local IBM representative.
Features With Maintenance Charges
                          Feature             Purchase
Description         Number     CSU      Price          MMMC(1)

Model 250

Entry Package        0297        Y       $4,800         $ 0
Growth Package      0298        Y        8,300          11

(1) = Monthly minimum maintenance charge

Charles L.Massoglia, President
Massoglia Technical Consulting, Inc.
cmassoglia@voyager.net
In MI 517-676-9700 or in NC 919-363-9395


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Franz" <franz400@triad.rr.com>
To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Saturday, 23 February, 2002 22:57
Subject: Re: 170's from ibm on ebay


> <my opinion-verify facts with ibm or a bp>
> the 170-2164 has a cpw of 125/29 and is in the P10 pricing group
> below it says currently has V4R2. Expect nothing else on the box.
> "my understanding" is the OS license travels with the purchase in V4.
> to upgrade, you need software subscription (or can you just buy V5R1?)
> the P10 subscription "after license" is $5,076)  (for reference P05 is
> $1,523)
> Now you need app development tools (now Websphere Dev Studio)
> 5722-WDS is $8,200 for P10 (P05 is $3,650) has all compilers, plus VAJ
> and VARPG, plus Websphere Studio.
> If you are in Partnerworld program, you should get 50% off on all
this(with
> restrictions).
> I've looked at doing this, at P05 level 170's. If you need to run
Websphere
> Server it's too small, but Tomcat would run. For same money you may
> be able to lease/purchase small 270 w/Partnerworld discount, but has
> restrictions on use of the box. Insider Weekly mentioned a new package
> from ibm for BPs to get them to learn all the new stuff, but have seen
> no details (and don't know where to look).
>
> Would like to here from anyone who has done this (ebay a box & bring
> it up to spec).
> jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Crothers" <bob2@CStoneIndy.com>
> To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 3:08 PM
> Subject: RE: 170's from ibm on ebay
>
>
> > Does anybody have any idea how much it would cost to upgrade one of
these
> > machines to V5R1?  And add development environment and languages (C,
C++,
> > RPG at a minimum)?
> >
> > Specs of the machine:
> >
> > 9406-170 e-Server System Unit   1
> > 0044 Device Parity Protection (RAID)    1
> > 0348 PCI Cable - V.24/EIA232 20-Ft      1
> > 1402 120 Volt Power Cord        1
> > 2164 Model 170 Processor 256MB  1
> > 2729 PCI External Tape Controller       1
> > 2740 PCI RAID Disk Unit Ctlr    1
> > 2809 PCI LAN/WAN/Workstation IOP        1
> > 2924 English    1
> > 3002 128MB Main Storage         6
> > 5024 Software Version V4R2 W/D 2/200    1
> > 6382 4GB 1/4-inch Cartr. Tape (PCI)     1
> > 6813 8.58GB Disk Unit (S/       9
> > 7101 PCI System Exp Unit Base 16MB M    1
> > 8813 Opt Base 8.58GB Disk Unit (S/      1
> > 9720 PCI Base WAN/Twinaxial IOA         1
> > 9724 PCI Base Token-Ring IOA    1
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bob Crothers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
> [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On
> > Behalf Of Steve Richter
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:05 AM
> > To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> > Subject: 170's from ibm on ebay
> >
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> >
> > IBM is auctioning 3 170s on ebay.  V4R4. Current bid is $900.
> >
> > They look to be complete systems, so I am not sure why the price is so
> low.
> >
> >
> > Steve Richter
> >
> >
> > .
> > Item #: 2004826304
> > Title:  IBM e-Server iSeries (AS/400) 9406-170 Refurb
> > Price:  $799.00
> > Bids:   0
> > Starts: Feb-21-02 14:22:20 PST
> > URL:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2004826304
> >
> > 4.
> >
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