Re: New 250 better than 170's from IBM on eBay -- MIDRANGE-L

If you have a license for just one of the components of Websphere, you can
do a "refresh" order for V4R5 and get 5769-WDS for free.

Paul Nelson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Franz" <franz400@triad.rr.com>
To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: New 250 better than 170's from IBM on eBay


> until we find someone who has done this "legitamately"
> or someone puts the question to ibm, I have not seen a
> definitive post on this subject yet.
> Just be care of the software price levels - P10 is more than
> twice the cost of P05.
> At V4R5 you could get compilers seperately.
> at V5R1 they are all in 5722-WDS Websphere Studio.
> jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Richter" <srichter@AutoCoder.com>
> To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: New 250 better than 170's from IBM on eBay
>
>
>
> the 170s on ebay are processor feature #2164.  Cpw 125/29, unconstrained (
> whatever that means ) 210/29.
>
> the 250 CPW is 50/15 and 75/20.
>
> so the 170 beats the 250 on the cpw front.
>
> and from the ebay posting:
>   3002 128MB Main Storage  6
>   6813 8.58GB Disk Unit (S/  8
>
> Does this mean those 170s have 6x128MB main storage and 8x8.58GB dasd ?
>
> If so, then the 170s on ebay are a better deal for dasd and main memory
than
> the 250.
>
> The only advantage I see the 250 having is V5R1 and the programming
language
> and websphere bundle.
>
> What is doable and what is allowed re: programming languages, v5r1 and
v4r5
> on the 170?
>
>  Can you do a full v4r5, v5r1 install on these 170s ?
>
> Are you allowed to buy a cheaper model on ebay that comes with v4r5 and
then
> install on the 170 as replacement hardware for the cheaper model ?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Richter
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlie Massoglia" <cmassoglia@voyager.net>
> To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:55 AM
> Subject: New 250 better than 170's from IBM on eBay
>
>
> How about a brand new model 250 feature 0297 with 256MB main storage, two
> 17.54 GB 10k rpm disk units, 100/10 Mbps Ethernet, OS/400 (P05), Query,
SQL,
> and Client Access for $4,800?  Of course it's only got a 4GB tape drive.
>
> Finally a relatively affordable personal AS/400.  Unbelievable!
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> ---
>
> IBM United States
> Hardware Announcement 102-034
> February 12, 2002
>
> IBM e(logo)server iSeries Model 250 Packages
> The change from custom to package ordering on the Model 250 simplifies
your
> initial decision and investment and allows for potential future expansion
> and growth.
> After your initial acquisition, you can add function and capacity as
> required.
> The two Model 250 packages are identical, except for the processor.
> Package                Processor CPW           Interactive CPW
>
> Entry (#0297)                50                       15
> Growth (#0298)              75                       20
>
> Each package contains:
> 256 MB main storage
> PCI disk unit controller to support up to four internal disk units, one
> internal tape, and one internal CD-ROM
> Two 17.54 GB 10k rpm disk units
> 4 GB 1/4-inch cartridge tape
> PCI 100/10 Mbps Ethernet IOA
> PCI WAN/Twinaxial IOA
> PCI 2-Line WAN IOA with modem
> High system availability is crucial for small enterprises. The new Model
250
> packages include mirrored disk protection.
> Preloaded Software
> Operating System/400� (5722-SS1)
> Query for iSeries (5722-QU1)
> DB2� Query Manager and SQL Development Kit for iSeries (5722-ST1)
> iSeries Client Access Family (5722-XW1)
> This software is in the PPS tier. Processor group P05 applies to Software
> Subscription on the Model 250 packages.
> Upgrades
> Selected feature upgrades to installed Model 250 packages are available.
MES
> orders are not supported by the marketing configurator for Model 250
> packages. However, since the Model 250 packages are equivalent to custom
> Model 250 configurations, existing Model 250 documentation can be used to
> determine configuration capability of the system. Upgrades from Entry to
> Growth packages are not offered.
> Optional Features
> The following optional features are available for the packages:
> V.24/EIA232 20-Ft PCI Cable (#0348)
> V.24/EIA232 50-Ft PCI Cable (#0349)
> V.35 20-Ft PCI Cable (#0353)
> V.35 50-Ft PCI Cable (#0354)
> V.36 20-Ft PCI Cable (#0356)
> X.21 20-Ft PCI Cable (#0359)
> X.21 50-Ft PCI Cable (#0360)
> V.24/EIA232 80-Ft PCI Cable (#0365)
> Operations Console PCI Cable (#0367)
> PCI Two-Line WAN IOA (#2745)
> PCI Twinaxial Workstation IOA (#2746)
> PCI RAID Disk Unit Controller (#2763)
> PCI 100/10Mbps Ethernet IOA (#2838)
> 128 MB Main Storage (#3022)
> 256 MB Main Storage (#3024)
> 17.54 GB 10k rpm Disk Unit (#6818)
>
> Prices
> The prices provided in this announcement are suggested retail prices for
the
> U.S. only and are provided for your information only. Dealer prices may
> vary, and prices may also vary by country. Prices are subject to change
> without notice. For additional information and current prices, contact
your
> local IBM representative.
> Features With Maintenance Charges
>                           Feature             Purchase
> Description         Number     CSU      Price          MMMC(1)
>
> Model 250
>
> Entry Package        0297        Y       $4,800         $ 0
> Growth Package      0298        Y        8,300          11
>
> (1) = Monthly minimum maintenance charge
>
> Charles L.Massoglia, President
> Massoglia Technical Consulting, Inc.
> cmassoglia@voyager.net
> In MI 517-676-9700 or in NC 919-363-9395
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Franz" <franz400@triad.rr.com>
> To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
> Sent: Saturday, 23 February, 2002 22:57
> Subject: Re: 170's from ibm on ebay
>
>
> > <my opinion-verify facts with ibm or a bp>
> > the 170-2164 has a cpw of 125/29 and is in the P10 pricing group
> > below it says currently has V4R2. Expect nothing else on the box.
> > "my understanding" is the OS license travels with the purchase in V4.
> > to upgrade, you need software subscription (or can you just buy V5R1?)
> > the P10 subscription "after license" is $5,076)  (for reference P05 is
> > $1,523)
> > Now you need app development tools (now Websphere Dev Studio)
> > 5722-WDS is $8,200 for P10 (P05 is $3,650) has all compilers, plus VAJ
> > and VARPG, plus Websphere Studio.
> > If you are in Partnerworld program, you should get 50% off on all
> this(with
> > restrictions).
> > I've looked at doing this, at P05 level 170's. If you need to run
> Websphere
> > Server it's too small, but Tomcat would run. For same money you may
> > be able to lease/purchase small 270 w/Partnerworld discount, but has
> > restrictions on use of the box. Insider Weekly mentioned a new package
> > from ibm for BPs to get them to learn all the new stuff, but have seen
> > no details (and don't know where to look).
> >
> > Would like to here from anyone who has done this (ebay a box & bring
> > it up to spec).
> > jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob Crothers" <bob2@CStoneIndy.com>
> > To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 3:08 PM
> > Subject: RE: 170's from ibm on ebay
> >
> >
> > > Does anybody have any idea how much it would cost to upgrade one of
> these
> > > machines to V5R1?  And add development environment and languages (C,
> C++,
> > > RPG at a minimum)?
> > >
> > > Specs of the machine:
> > >
> > > 9406-170 e-Server System Unit   1
> > > 0044 Device Parity Protection (RAID)    1
> > > 0348 PCI Cable - V.24/EIA232 20-Ft      1
> > > 1402 120 Volt Power Cord        1
> > > 2164 Model 170 Processor 256MB  1
> > > 2729 PCI External Tape Controller       1
> > > 2740 PCI RAID Disk Unit Ctlr    1
> > > 2809 PCI LAN/WAN/Workstation IOP        1
> > > 2924 English    1
> > > 3002 128MB Main Storage         6
> > > 5024 Software Version V4R2 W/D 2/200    1
> > > 6382 4GB 1/4-inch Cartr. Tape (PCI)     1
> > > 6813 8.58GB Disk Unit (S/       9
> > > 7101 PCI System Exp Unit Base 16MB M    1
> > > 8813 Opt Base 8.58GB Disk Unit (S/      1
> > > 9720 PCI Base WAN/Twinaxial IOA         1
> > > 9724 PCI Base Token-Ring IOA    1
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Bob Crothers
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
> > [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Steve Richter
> > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:05 AM
> > > To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> > > Subject: 170's from ibm on ebay
> > >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > > --
> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > >
> > > IBM is auctioning 3 170s on ebay.  V4R4. Current bid is $900.
> > >
> > > They look to be complete systems, so I am not sure why the price is so
> > low.
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve Richter
> > >
> > >
> > > .
> > > Item #: 2004826304
> > > Title:  IBM e-Server iSeries (AS/400) 9406-170 Refurb
> > > Price:  $799.00
> > > Bids:   0
> > > Starts: Feb-21-02 14:22:20 PST
> > > URL:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2004826304
> > >
> > > 4.
> > >
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