Re: RPG - I'm not dead yet!

[Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Map support ?

what do you want to map ?

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 6:09 PM, john e <whattssonn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Ok,
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> Real date support in RPG since 1994.
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> I know, that's ancient history.
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> But we still suffer the software not build before, or even after 1994.
> Most software on as/400 is build long time ago.
>
> Why no date support in 1994?
> I know, i shouldn't ask.
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> Maybe in 10 years we have "Map" support.
> So i don't have to write some arcane, horrible piece of datastructure defs
> with overlapping arrays to be able to simply sort internally.
> I can then easily match and sort and pick arbitrary data, in dynamic
> memory.
> Most RPG 'ers don't understand my problem with this.
> They simply use a DB file in QTEMP, split the program into a seperate
> program to ... etc etc
>
> Yes, i am biased, like everybody
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> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Raul A. Jager W. <raul@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > I remember looooong ago, I used a languaje (RPG II) with the limitations
> > you mention. You should not call limitations of the actual RPG the
> > limitations of 20 years ago.
> >
> > john e wrote:
> >
> > > Ok.....
> > >
> > > The reason why, IMHO, RPG is a "fatal" flaw is because most RPG
> > programmers
> > > are "raised" with a "language" that doesn't support all kind of trivial
> > > things, like normal dates, like "free format", local variables, long
> > > variable names (we have indicators), only columnar format, only
> > subroutines
> > > and no any other way of abstraction, JUST subroutines (yes thanks to
> > OS/400
> > > we can call other programs as modules but again this is not a language
> > > feature), etc etc.
> > >
> > > This is were most RPG programmers are at.
> > > Only 1% use ILE RPGIV (which is feature wise comparable to C from the
> 60's
> > > but anyway a lot better than before).
> > > Why is it that only 1% use "modern" RPG?
> > >
> > > Because RPG exists since 1950 and only the last 10 years it evolved,
> > > somewhat.
> > > I am exagerating, but only a little bit, unfortunately.
> > >
> > > Most RPG'ers don't have any knowledge of good software development
> > > practices, like abstraction, etc.
> > > Learning a (natural) language shapes your mind.
> > > If you learn a language like RPGII, or III, and this is your only
> language
> > > and only knowlegde then something like "local variables" sound strange
> and
> > > not useful, only making things complicated. Try convincing somebody with
> > > only "classic" RPG experience the advantages of local variables. It's
> just
> > > completely alien.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Joe Pluta <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks, Jerry.  That's a pretty cogent synopsis of the situation with a
> > > > very low geek factor.
> > > >
> > > > And yes, C was a godsend for me.  While I was learning RPG, I also
> > > > learned assembly language and then C, and understanding the basic C
> > > > syntax has served as a solid foundation for many of the other languages
> > > > I've learned over the years, including C++, Java and JavaScript.
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I'm not nearly as well versed in these things as you and Joe, but why
> > > > would
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > one consider RPG (and here I'm assuming ILE RPG) to be an Achilles'
> > Heel?
> > > > > An Achilles' Heel is a weak point (usually a fatal one).  Just because
> > > > it's
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > tied so closely to the system (using, I think, the system's data
> > > > management
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > routines among other things) shouldn't be cause for alarm.  As Joe and
> > > > JHHL,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > among others, have pointed out it always helps to be multilingual.
> >  Makes
> > > > >
> > > > me
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > wish I hadn't given up on C those many years ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > RPG is not a fatal flaw - in my opinion - as long as Toronto keeps
> > > > growing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > it.  Which they seem intent upon doing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jerry C. Adams
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