RE: interesting contradiction about needing H1B workers -- MIDRANGE-NONTECH

Rick,
I would agree, except most of these clients aren't concerned with security
or local resource development and all of them are looking for the 80%
savings on labor, as touted on CNN today.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/biztech/03/31/india.aol.ap/index.html

John Brandt
iStudio400.com

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From: michaelr_41@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:michaelr_41@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:34 AM
To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: interesting contradiction about needing H1B workers


Hi Rick -

I've pretty much always been a consultant in my career and have always
billed more than the equivalent amount for an FTE P/A. Of course, a
consultant should bring skills to the table that an FTE P/A wouldn't
have. If the consultant has the same skill set as a P/A, then the
employer should find an FTE. That's basic business stuff.

The outsourcing thing is a different animal I think, but I think it
depends on perspective and the balance between tactical and strategic
goals. If the tactical goal is getting code written at the lowest
practical price, then outsourcing to India (or Eastern Europe or China or
wherever) makes sense. If the strategic goal is more along the lines of
local resource development, security, and more amorphous goals like that,
then outsourcing is not the way to go. 


On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:19:42 -0500, rick.baird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx said:
> 
> Michael,
> 
> exactly my point.  during the dot.com heyday, $200+ an hour for
> consultants
> was not uncommon.  Even at todays rates, the equivelent to a full time
> employee is between 100k and 200k a year.
> 
> I don't know about you, but that's a lot of jack to spend long term for a
> programmer analyst.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, it's good work if you can get it.  I've been in
> consulting in one form or another for more than 20 years - but if I'm a
> business owner or corporate exec, I'm going to find it really hard
> justify
> 150k in my budget for a P/A FTE.  If I can't find a permenant hire with
> the
> skills I need, because all the best ones are working as contractors or
> subs
> billing at $100+ an hour, and I can find equivelents offshore in India to
> do it for $25, I'd do it.
> 
> Rick
> 
> ---------original message-------
> Generally consultants charge more per hour than inhouse employees make.
> So that employer *could* hire those consultants, but would have to pay
> much more than he wants to pay. What he can't do is hire people at the
> rate he wants to pay.
> 
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:41:36 -0500, rick.baird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx said:
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > I don't find this a contradiction at all.
> >
> > This guy wants full time hires, not consultants.  In my experience, the
> > use
> > of consultants is for short term gain, not long term pain.  If you can
> > only
> > get the short termers, why go for the pain too?
> >
> > I'm not trying to defend this guy, because I don't know how hard he
> > actually looked for qualified permanent hires.  But I won't condemn him
> > either based solely on the comments below
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > ----------original message-----------
> > I thought this article raises an interesting contradiction:
> >
> >
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=17800189
> >
> > The quote:
> >
> >  "Hummel says he's had some jobs open for two years looking for
qualified
> > people, and, if he can't hire someone to do a job, he has to pay
> > consultants three or four times the salary rate."
> >
> > to me says he *can* find qualified workers (the consultants), he just
> > doesn't  want to pay the going rate.  So he looks for H1B workers
> > instead.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> 
> 
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