Re: interesting contradiction about needing H1B workers

[rick.baird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Michael,

exactly my point.  during the dot.com heyday, $200+ an hour for consultants
was not uncommon.  Even at todays rates, the equivelent to a full time
employee is between 100k and 200k a year.

I don't know about you, but that's a lot of jack to spend long term for a
programmer analyst.

Don't get me wrong, it's good work if you can get it.  I've been in
consulting in one form or another for more than 20 years - but if I'm a
business owner or corporate exec, I'm going to find it really hard justify
150k in my budget for a P/A FTE.  If I can't find a permenant hire with the
skills I need, because all the best ones are working as contractors or subs
billing at $100+ an hour, and I can find equivelents offshore in India to
do it for $25, I'd do it.

Rick

---------original message-------
Generally consultants charge more per hour than inhouse employees make.
So that employer *could* hire those consultants, but would have to pay
much more than he wants to pay. What he can't do is hire people at the
rate he wants to pay.

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:41:36 -0500, rick.baird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx said:
>
> Scott,
>
> I don't find this a contradiction at all.
>
> This guy wants full time hires, not consultants.  In my experience, the
> use
> of consultants is for short term gain, not long term pain.  If you can
> only
> get the short termers, why go for the pain too?
>
> I'm not trying to defend this guy, because I don't know how hard he
> actually looked for qualified permanent hires.  But I won't condemn him
> either based solely on the comments below
>
> Rick
>
> ----------original message-----------
> I thought this article raises an interesting contradiction:
>
> http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=17800189
>
> The quote:
>
>  "Hummel says he's had some jobs open for two years looking for qualified
> people, and, if he can't hire someone to do a job, he has to pay
> consultants three or four times the salary rate."
>
> to me says he *can* find qualified workers (the consultants), he just
> doesn't  want to pay the going rate.  So he looks for H1B workers
> instead.
>
> Scott
>
>