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RE: Backup Tape rotation with Corona-virus

In the end I think you're most likely doing all you can do given current
equipment. Maybe get a second library (larger tape capacity) at the target
location and back up there? With a 4U TS3xxx you'd be able to achieve the
remote back up you're considering without needing to visit it to swap tapes.
Used, those units can be quite cost effective. Hardware maintenance might
get a little harsh....

As to creating a virtual tape on the remote location and backing up to it,
iTera is doing a much better job of that then any convoluted setup we could
come up with. First off you cannot create a virtual device on your target
machine to write to from the source box (at least not within the realm of
reasonable).

Secondly and the most important topic, say we were able to craft a solution.
How would we use it to recover? (more for the archives than Kerwin). Answer
is, we would probably not be able to set up a recovery from that sort of
Rube Goldberg backup scene.

How am I going to use this for a recovery, single object all the way to full
system must always be the first question you ask. Plan the recovery, then
build the back up to support the recovery plan.


--
Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of K
Crawford
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 8:54 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Backup Tape rotation with Corona-virus

This is a great discussion but I will go back to my original intent of the
question. I was hoping to be able to do it all in house with what we
currently have. When I read about VTL (not knowing any better) I assumed I
could do it with what I currently have. I know better now.
We have two 870's one production the other DR located at another location.
We are currently using BRMS to tape. We are currently using iTera to
replicate to the DR box.
I was thinking, can I use the existing connection to do some sort of
production box backup to the DR box. Define a 'virtual device' on the
production box that points to the DR box?
Kerwin


On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:38 AM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jim, again with the data deduplication and all "multiple 250gb saves"
would not be X * 250GB

Rob Berendt
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Not quite that bare bones - remote data center, no operator.

Capable of multiple 250gb saves... I am assuming disk is relatively
cheap in these?
Jim


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I imagine that USB sticks would be on the bare bones end of the spectrum.
Plug one in. They automatically configure as RMS device type 638B and
an optical volume. I want to test a multi-port USB Hub soon. RDX
drives are similarly configured and used. On the opposite end of the
spectrum would be VTLs.

I suspect that BRMS can be used with any device that supports IBM i
Save commands.





On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 2:47 PM midrange <franz9000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Can I ask a side question in this thread - what is a bare bones
appliance (that supports BRMS) in the rack with Power I to back up
to cost? About 250gb in use.

Jim


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Present some alternatives.

One alternative is new mylar libraries with the monthly recurring
cost of using Iron Mountain to run tapes back and forth on a daily
basis and the
2-3
hours a day to manually prepare the tapes for shipment and receive
them back in. Plus the cost of training a backup person to do it so
you can go on vacation. Make sure you quote the latest LTOx models
available from IBM and the cost of all those tape cartridges which
ain't cheap.
Also quote that every x years you'll need to duplicate all the tapes
from LTOx to LTOy. Been through that a few times. Changing it out
will let you know that the tape drives are on a model supported by
IBM, and the drive is supported by your latest hardware, and the
mylar hasn't gone bad in that time frame. Especially applicable for
those archive tapes you append to at year end only. Gosh, I really
do not miss
mylar.



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Ship to: Dock 108
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I will be honest I was/am a little uneducated in this area.
I did some research on this and have been reading your comments.
I was hoping to be able to do it all in house with what we currently
have.
I am not sure the man with the money will want to spend any money.
I am willing to talk to him about it.

Kerwin


On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 2:33 PM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I'm so confident in our VTL and it's replication to the offsite
center that on Friday June 19 I plan on saving 10 lpars of IBM i,
5 on a Power 8 and 5 on a Power 9, to our VTL. Then on Saturday
the VTL and both power systems will be loaded on the same truck
and shipped to a different data center.
And, the last time we did a data center migration the truck driver
ripped the side off of the IBM rack before he even loaded it on
the
truck.

Rob Berendt
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1600 Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com


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I highly recommend Data Domain.

Data Domain works great with IBM i and BRMS.
Plus, it supports other backup products such as Veeam on the same box.

We backup Exchange, IBM i, Linux, SQL Server and Windows to them.
Have a local appliance and a remote target appliance for backup
replication.

Bob Schwartz
Director of Technology Services
Glynn County Schools

-----Original Message-----
date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 14:00:54 -0500
from: K Crawford <kscx3ksc@xxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: Backup Tape rotation with Corona-virus.

I like what I am hearing. VTL replicated between two different
data centers.
We are currently using BMRS.
If I can get a VTL between our two boxes using BRMS I think
everyone
would
be happy.
Can you point me in the right direction? Redbook, web site,
documentation?

Kerwin

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