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Re: Backup Tape rotation with Corona-virus

This is a great discussion but I will go back to my original intent of the
question. I was hoping to be able to do it all in house with what we
currently have. When I read about VTL (not knowing any better) I assumed I
could do it with what I currently have. I know better now.
We have two 870's one production the other DR located at another location.
We are currently using BRMS to tape. We are currently using iTera
to replicate to the DR box.
I was thinking, can I use the existing connection to do some sort of
production box backup to the DR box. Define a 'virtual device' on the
production box that points to the DR box?
Kerwin


On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:38 AM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jim, again with the data deduplication and all "multiple 250gb saves"
would not be X * 250GB

Rob Berendt
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Group Dekko
Dept 1600
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Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
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Kendallville, IN 46755
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Not quite that bare bones - remote data center, no operator.

Capable of multiple 250gb saves... I am assuming disk is relatively cheap
in
these?
Jim


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I imagine that USB sticks would be on the bare bones end of the spectrum.
Plug one in. They automatically configure as RMS device type 638B and an
optical volume. I want to test a multi-port USB Hub soon. RDX drives are
similarly configured and used. On the opposite end of the spectrum would be
VTLs.

I suspect that BRMS can be used with any device that supports IBM i Save
commands.





On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 2:47 PM midrange <franz9000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Can I ask a side question in this thread - what is a bare bones
appliance (that supports BRMS) in the rack with Power I to back up to
cost? About 250gb in use.

Jim


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Present some alternatives.

One alternative is new mylar libraries with the monthly recurring cost
of using Iron Mountain to run tapes back and forth on a daily basis
and the
2-3
hours a day to manually prepare the tapes for shipment and receive
them back in. Plus the cost of training a backup person to do it so
you can go on vacation. Make sure you quote the latest LTOx models
available from IBM and the cost of all those tape cartridges which
ain't cheap.
Also quote that every x years you'll need to duplicate all the tapes
from LTOx to LTOy. Been through that a few times. Changing it out
will let you know that the tape drives are on a model supported by
IBM, and the drive is supported by your latest hardware, and the mylar
hasn't gone bad in that time frame. Especially applicable for those
archive tapes you append to at year end only. Gosh, I really do not miss
mylar.



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Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
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http://www.dekko.com


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I will be honest I was/am a little uneducated in this area.
I did some research on this and have been reading your comments.
I was hoping to be able to do it all in house with what we currently
have.
I am not sure the man with the money will want to spend any money. I
am willing to talk to him about it.

Kerwin


On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 2:33 PM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I'm so confident in our VTL and it's replication to the offsite
center that on Friday June 19 I plan on saving 10 lpars of IBM i, 5
on a Power 8 and 5 on a Power 9, to our VTL. Then on Saturday the
VTL and both power systems will be loaded on the same truck and
shipped to a different data center.
And, the last time we did a data center migration the truck driver
ripped the side off of the IBM rack before he even loaded it on the
truck.

Rob Berendt
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Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com


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I highly recommend Data Domain.

Data Domain works great with IBM i and BRMS.
Plus, it supports other backup products such as Veeam on the same box.

We backup Exchange, IBM i, Linux, SQL Server and Windows to them.
Have a local appliance and a remote target appliance for backup
replication.

Bob Schwartz
Director of Technology Services
Glynn County Schools

-----Original Message-----
date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 14:00:54 -0500
from: K Crawford <kscx3ksc@xxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: Backup Tape rotation with Corona-virus.

I like what I am hearing. VTL replicated between two different data
centers.
We are currently using BMRS.
If I can get a VTL between our two boxes using BRMS I think everyone
would
be happy.
Can you point me in the right direction? Redbook, web site,
documentation?

Kerwin

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