RE: IBM will announce two new System i models, 515 and 525 on Apr. 10.

Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition allows you to run up to 5
Instances on the same machine - so if you're using Microsoft Virtual
Server 2005, you could run 4 additional instances on the same machine.

Also don't forget that Microsoft Small Business Server gives you a
Windows Domain, Exchange, SQL Server 2005 (and ISA server, but I
consider that bad practice) in a simple package - starting at about
600US$ for 5 users.

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trevor Perry
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:32 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: IBM will announce two new System i models, 515 and 525 on
Apr. 10.

Aha! I see you are looking at the pricing to run ONE Windows
application.

When you need a second server for a second application, then a third for
a
third, and so on, the price becomes less and less competitive against
System
i very quickly.



On 4/10/07 4:14 PM, "Lukas Beeler" <l.beeler@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thanks for clearing this up.

But why does IBM state minimum CPW requirements? For example WAS
manuals?
And how do I figure out how much my current machine has? As the value
from the CPU feature is just a maximum.

And, just to make sure that we don't go to wild tangents about windows
pricing:

Standard Edition costs about 600US$, 5 CALs, Max 4GB of RAM
Standard Edition x64 costs about 600 US$, 5 CALs, Max 16GB of RAM
Enterprise Edition costs about 3000 US$, 25 CALs, Max 64GB of RAM

(using

nasty hacks such as AWE - you don't want to run a 32bit machine with
more than 4GB of RAM)
Enterprise Edition x64 costs about 3000 US$, 25 CALs, Max of 1 TB of

RAM

The 20 extra CAL are about 300-500US$ in value. Enterprise also has
lot's of other features worth paying for, like Cross File RDC, or
clustering, etc.

16GB of DDR-2 memory for an IBM x3650 cost 7200 US$ - leaving you four
empty memory slots.

16GB of DDR-1 memory or a 520 costs about 28000US$.

(All prices converted from CHF).

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Larry Bolhuis
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:58 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: IBM will announce two new System i models, 515 and 525 on
Apr. 10.

Then before you speak you need to understand what it means.

*ALL* CPW when measured since it was invented is on a system with
maximum configurations of memory and disk. As we all know there will

be

bottlenecks in any application. Some are disk, some memory, some CPU

and

some are combinations of these. In the case of the 515 you can cram in
only 16GB (seems odd to be saying 'only' and '16GB' and 'Memory' in

one

phrase) as well as a maximum of 8 disk units. So it's likely that

while

the CPU itself is capable of 3800 CPW (and is not running with 7/10ths
of it's cycles tied behind it's back, just to make it fair) it may be
constrained by the limited number of disk arms, disk cache, and memory
present in the configuration.

Specs here:

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_sp/n/ISD03001USEN/ISD03001USEN

.PDF

As an aside if you want to cram 16GB of memory in a Windoze box be
prepared to shell out about $10K for the 'Enterprise' version of

WinDOHs

you will need to be able to use that memory.

- Larry

Lukas Beeler wrote:

Read this:

http://projectdream.org/~lb/i515.pdf

It says "constrained CPW" 800. I have no idea what that really means
(since the document itself doesn't explain it)

I just assumed it works similar as to the accelerator feature of the
520+.

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Larry Bolhuis
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:08 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: IBM will announce two new System i models, 515 and 525

on

Apr. 10.

Lukas I believe you are wrong. I don't know where you got the 800 CPW
from.

The 515 runs 'wide open' at 3,800 CPW and is capped only by user

count.

You may purchase a second CPU to get you to approx 7,100 CPW.

- Larry

Lukas Beeler wrote:

It's 800 CPW. The CPU can be bumped to 3800 CPW, no idea how much

that

costs, though.