Re: IBM will announce two new System i models, 515 and 525 on Apr. 10.

[Trevor Perry <trevor@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Aha! I see you are looking at the pricing to run ONE Windows application.

When you need a second server for a second application, then a third for a
third, and so on, the price becomes less and less competitive against System
i very quickly.



On 4/10/07 4:14 PM, "Lukas Beeler" <l.beeler@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Thanks for clearing this up.
>
> But why does IBM state minimum CPW requirements? For example WAS
> manuals?
> And how do I figure out how much my current machine has? As the value
> from the CPU feature is just a maximum.
>
> And, just to make sure that we don't go to wild tangents about windows
> pricing:
>
> Standard Edition costs about 600US$, 5 CALs, Max 4GB of RAM
> Standard Edition x64 costs about 600 US$, 5 CALs, Max 16GB of RAM
> Enterprise Edition costs about 3000 US$, 25 CALs, Max 64GB of RAM (using
> nasty hacks such as AWE - you don't want to run a 32bit machine with
> more than 4GB of RAM)
> Enterprise Edition x64 costs about 3000 US$, 25 CALs, Max of 1 TB of RAM
>
> The 20 extra CAL are about 300-500US$ in value. Enterprise also has
> lot's of other features worth paying for, like Cross File RDC, or
> clustering, etc.
>
> 16GB of DDR-2 memory for an IBM x3650 cost 7200 US$ - leaving you four
> empty memory slots.
>
> 16GB of DDR-1 memory or a 520 costs about 28000US$.
>
> (All prices converted from CHF).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Larry Bolhuis
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:58 PM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> Subject: Re: IBM will announce two new System i models, 515 and 525 on
> Apr. 10.
>
> Then before you speak you need to understand what it means.
>
> *ALL* CPW when measured since it was invented is on a system with
> maximum configurations of memory and disk. As we all know there will be
> bottlenecks in any application. Some are disk, some memory, some CPU and
>
> some are combinations of these. In the case of the 515 you can cram in
> only 16GB (seems odd to be saying 'only' and '16GB' and 'Memory' in one
> phrase) as well as a maximum of 8 disk units. So it's likely that while
> the CPU itself is capable of 3800 CPW (and is not running with 7/10ths
> of it's cycles tied behind it's back, just to make it fair)  it may be
> constrained by the limited number of disk arms, disk cache, and memory
> present in the configuration.
>
> Specs here:  
> ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_sp/n/ISD03001USEN/ISD03001USEN
> .PDF
>
> As an aside if you want to cram 16GB of memory in a Windoze box be
> prepared to shell out about $10K for the 'Enterprise' version of WinDOHs
>
> you will need to be able to use that memory.
>
>    - Larry
>
> Lukas Beeler wrote:
> > Read this:
> >
> > http://projectdream.org/~lb/i515.pdf
> >
> > It says "constrained CPW" 800. I have no idea what that really means
> > (since the document itself doesn't explain it)
> >
> > I just assumed it works similar as to the accelerator feature of the
> > 520+.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Larry Bolhuis
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:08 PM
> > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > Subject: Re: IBM will announce two new System i models, 515 and 525 on
> > Apr. 10.
> >
> > Lukas I believe you are wrong. I don't know where you got the 800 CPW
> > from.
> >
> > The 515 runs 'wide open' at 3,800 CPW and is capped only by user
> count. 
> > You may purchase a second CPU to get you to approx 7,100 CPW.
> >
> >   - Larry
> >
> > Lukas Beeler wrote:
> >   
> > > It's 800 CPW. The CPU can be bumped to 3800 CPW, no idea how much
> that
> > > costs, though.
> > >
> > >   
> > >