RE: 270 quote -- MIDRANGE-L

David,

I think he was looking for alternative vendors.  Like, why does the
freaking cd drive have a speaker output on it on the 400 CD drive?  So's I
can listen to Bob Seger while doing coding?  If they are using a generic
CD, why can't you plug and play other CD drives?  Doesn't someone out there
have a worthless 400 that they wouldn't mind swapping other equipment in to
see if it works?  I remember people doing some weird stuff with the old
5364's and the AS/Entry's.  I heard of someone getting a PC modem card,
(not serial card), working on either a 5364 or an AS/Entry as a comm port.

Rob Berendt

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                    "David Dunfield"
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                    09/04/2001 11:08 AM
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Without cd rom and tape drive you will have a real hard time loading
software and ptf's (plus backup once in a while may be nice)!

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
[mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Steve Richter
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:03 PM
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: 270 quote


My partner and I are considering the purchase of a model 270. Here are some
of the numbers we are being quoted:

The base price, basically just for the cpu:
270-2248 ( 150 cpw, 25 interactive cpw, P5 software group )  $6,800
270-2432 ( 1070 cpw, 0 interactive, p10 software group )  $10,700

The base price for these models does not include any minimum dasd or
memory.
Here are some hardware feature prices:

3022 128MB main storage $1024
4317 8GB dasd $1400
4582 4GB qic tape $1300
4838 100MBPS ethernet $900
4525 CD-ROM $415

Extended maintenance ( not sure what that is )
270-2248 $111 per month
270-2432 $268 per month

Software
5722-WDS Websphere dev studio    P5 - $3650    P10 - $8200
5733-SM2 prepay software subscription  P5 - $1168   P10 - $3893

Grand total
Forget the 10,700 and 6,800 base number. The 2248 is close to $20,000 and
the 2432 is over $28,000.
( not counting hardware and software support )


Some comments and questions:

The only difference between hardware prices of the different model 270's is
in the cpu. That looks to be about $4000.  So the P5 2248 ( 150/25 cpw ) is
$14,500 for hardware vs $17,900 for the P10 2432 ( 1070/0 cpw ).

The extended hardware maintenance looks to be a hidden charge on the faster
2432.  $268 per month vs $130 on the 2248.

What is the story with WebSphere?  This is a real show stopper. Looks like
the only way to get rpg ile is to pay $8200 for the total 5722-WDS
package!!
Is that true?

Do we need, have to get the $3893 software subscription?   We are local
contract programmers and could live with v5r1 for the life of the system.
Will an upgrade to v5r2 be another $10,000 without it?

No way do I want to pay $415 for a cd rom drive and $1300 for a tape drive.
Any alternatives?


Thanks,

Steve Richter



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