RE: Is Ops Navigator slow for others too? -- MIDRANGE-L

jpcarr@TREDEGAR.COM wrote:

>I for one show Ops Nav first when a 20-something  young (or UPPER
>MANAGEMENT, can you say PHB?) person wants to see what this AS/400 thing
>is.

I'm one of those 20-something youngsters you are referring to, and I just 
want to say this; with Linux and the BSDs taking hold in the enterprise 
(especially in Europe, but North America to a lesser extent) the concept of 
a GUI as being a "modern" necessity is fading.

For example, I am running OpenBSD 2.7 on my home server, and I don't have X 
windows, KDE, GNOME, or anything else cluttering it up. It's all 
command-line, and for running a server I prefer it that way. It needs less 
resources and crashes less. If I want to do graphical development (design, 
etc) I will use a graphical OS.

That said, I have been using a combination of Ops Navigator, command-line 
FTP from my Unix system, QSH, and the CL/menu system to actually get this 
AS/400 web project done; I'm glad there are options. Interesting discussion!

-Mark Beihoffer
aka dragonfly_blue
http://www.dragonflydynamix.com




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>Reply-To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
>To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
>Subject: RE: Is Ops Navigator slow for others too?
>Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:49:10 -0400
>
>
> >If they don't mind everyone having to reboot every 5 minutes just to do
> >AS/400 work through Ops Nav, then they should not have any problems.
> >Another example of them trying to Windowize their systems to get new
>people
> >interested in the AS/400.
> >Frankly, I am glad that I don't have to "reboot" my AS/400 3 times a day
>
>First, let me say that I have been one of the people in Sound Off at COMMON
>saying that we still need CL commands to do Config and other work in a
>batch mode in a CL program.
>I was the one collecting CL Language improvements from you all a while
>back,
>and giving them to Rochester. Do you remember?
>So I'm on your'alls side on that point.
>
>However lets not confuse Windowizing and Ops Nav.   As I said in my first
>post,  Java didn't exist when they first starting writing Ops Nav.  What
>did? What did WE ask for? Windows. End of Story on why it's on that
>platform.
>
>Do they think it should be written in a Platform Neutral language(ie Java)
>?  YES !
>Are they doing that?  I think so.
>
>HOWEVER;
>What does the outside world criticize the AS/400 of being?  An Archaic
>Green Screen legacy platform.  What have WE asked IBM to do?  Provide a GUI
>interface to the AS/400 so we could show the other platforms that we have
>evolved beyond the '70's too.
>
>We asked for that transition. (WE) The people who are rightly embarrassed
>when showing the AS/400 to someone who never seen one before.
>
>I for one show Ops Nav first when a 20-something  young (or UPPER
>MANAGEMENT, can you say PHB?) person wants to see what this AS/400 thing
>is.
>
>And I explain it this way to those Non-AS/400 people who are getting their
>first impression of the box.
>
><Start narration>
>
>"You know before Windows, there was DOS, right?
>DOS is a command line interface to the PC, Right?
>Well you can Click on the START/Programs button and still bring up a DOS
>window, Right?
>Some people still like using it, and it's also there for compatibility.
>
>Well,  the AS/400 is the same way.
>It has the GUI interface like Windows(See nice pretty Ops Nav?? Clicky,
>Clicky )
>(The People at this point are saying "Oh I see, I was wrong, it is modern")
>Well the AS/400, Like Windows still let you get to a command line
>interface.
>See dull, character based green screen?  (They are saying then "Ya, Old
>Technology")
>
>So The MODERN AS/400 has a GUI interface Like Windows, and a command line
>interface
>just like DOS provides under Windows.
>
><End of narration>
>
>They walk away thinking the AS/400 is a "Modern" machine.
>I then go back to the green screen command line and go back to work!
>
>I would suggest if you want to impress a Non-AS/400 person about the box,
>you copy and
>practice something similar to the narration above, and don't start by
>showing a CMD line.
>
>Now then,   Does Rochester have a myopic view of "Lights Out" batch CL
>programs doing system type stuff(configs, subsystems, etc) ?  They Have
>had.
>
>Are they going to create any new CL Commands ?   I wouldn't put much money
>down on that one.  Will they provide an alternative "Batch Program" type of
>function?  I would put money down on that one.  Can you say scripting
>language of some sort? API's ??
>
>
>I would suggest you make your points at Sound Off. Tell them you want Ops
>Nav improved,
>and supported on other platforms(whatever X-windows, Linux, whatever).
>
>Again, I'm not a proponent of Ops Nav everywhere, everytime, for Everybody.
>I (like some of you) have spent 20 YEARS on a green screen, SEU based
>world.
>On the other hand somethings you will be seeing(DB performance graphics) in
>Ops Nav just couldn't be done on a green screen.
>
>End of Rant,
>End of clarification.
>
>Respectfully
>John Carr
>
>
>
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