lets face it the mid range computers skills - is fading away and the sooner
we get "Re- tooled" the better
Dan


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No it isn't just as checking for credit history for that matter. When
Government subsidizes student loans to technical schools obviously behind
the current technologies then ask for the money back while the same
Government gives grants to companies which hires H1B's there would seem to
be a catch 22.
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What a sour view of the world.

It's called getting an education, which no trade school/associate
program will give you. It's an end in itself, not to be measured in how
much money you earn compared to your degreed counterparts.

Kenneth H Werner wrote:
There is one very good business reason for companies to ask for and
require a degree. By only hiring people with a degree they can place
the fault on the "failed, low quality" university the hired attended
rather than having to look at and face the reality of a problem in their
selection methodology should the person hired not perform.

I have several degrees and more credits than 8 full years of college all
worthless unless I can convince you what they are worth. If you are in
the middle of Death Valley with a bone dry mouth and I have water, I
can convince you that a cup of my water is worth $50. A degree is like
a $50 dollar bill. It is worth only as much as I personally believes and
can convince you it is worth.

Recently rated as one of the top 2 "Best Buy" of regionally accredited
higher education can be found at tesc.edu, one of the New Jersey state
colleges. It has no football team, student union building or dorms. It
has no library. With a qualified faculty, this state college allows and
has graduated people that in just a few hours a week for less than 1
year have tested out of 85 percent of the courses for their degree and
took the other 15 percent on-line at they own pace. A degree does not
require wasting time sitting through lectures by a professor whose can
not be understood. Most Americans believe a degree is granted following
a school attempt to impart knowledge; Thomas Edison (tesc.edu)
objectively recognizes-acknowledges achieved knowledge.
Doug Hart wrote:
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I'm not sure rules like that a legal. If it is written policy they are
possibly open to litigation.

I have consulted at companies that claimed they could not hire me
because of
my lack of a diploma. 1st the reason I was there was because their
own,
degreed, staff could not do the job. And 2nd I was making more money
than
any of them. Their policy really didn't bother me.


Doug Hart - Principal Consultant
IBM iSeries Certified Specialist



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For us there is a corporate rule that anyone in management MUST have a
degree. So, if an IT person wanted to become a programming/systems/
operations manager, they couldn't do it. Stops the climbing of the
ladder
if that is what one wants to do.

Debbie Panco
Senior Systems Analyst / Project Leader
United Consumer Financial Services
865 Bassett Road
Westlake, Ohio 44142
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440-835-6674




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