Re: Degree Required

[Wayne McAlpine <wayne.mcalpine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

What a sour view of the world.

It's called getting an education, which no trade school/associate 
program will give you.  It's an end in itself, not to be measured in how 
much money you earn compared to your degreed counterparts.

Kenneth H Werner wrote:
> There is one very good business reason for companies to ask for and 
> require a degree.  By only hiring people with a degree they can place 
> the fault on the "failed, low quality" university the hired attended 
> rather than having to look at and face the reality of a problem in their 
> selection methodology should the person hired not perform.
>
> I have several degrees and more credits than 8 full years of college all 
> worthless unless I can convince you what they are worth. If you are in 
> the middle of Death Valley with a bone dry mouth and I have water,  I 
> can  convince you that a cup of my water is worth $50. A degree is like 
> a $50 dollar bill. It is worth only as much as I personally believes and 
> can convince you it is worth.
>
> Recently rated as one of the top 2 "Best Buy" of regionally accredited 
> higher education can be found at tesc.edu, one of the  New Jersey state 
> colleges. It has no football team, student union building or dorms. It 
> has no library. With a qualified faculty, this state college allows and 
> has graduated people that in just a few hours a week for less than 1 
> year have tested out of 85 percent of the courses for their degree and 
> took the other 15 percent on-line at they own pace. A degree does not 
> require wasting time sitting through lectures by a professor whose can 
> not be understood. Most Americans believe a degree is granted following 
> a school attempt to impart knowledge; Thomas Edison (tesc.edu) 
> objectively recognizes-acknowledges achieved knowledge.
> Doug Hart wrote:
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> >  
> > I'm not sure rules like that a legal.  If it is written policy they are
> > possibly open to litigation.
> >
> > I have consulted at companies that claimed they could not hire me 
> > because of
> > my lack of a diploma.  1st the reason I was there was because their own,
> > degreed, staff could not do the job.  And 2nd I was making more money 
> > than
> > any of them.  Their policy really didn't bother me.
> >
> >  
> > Doug Hart - Principal Consultant
> > IBM iSeries Certified Specialist
> >
> >  
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: midrange-jobs-bounces+doughart.consulting=gmail.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:midrange-jobs-bounces+doughart.consulting=gmail.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> > On
> > Behalf Of Debbie Panco
> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 4:18 PM
> > To: midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [MIDRANGE-JOBS] Degree Required
> >
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> > For us there is a corporate rule that anyone in management MUST have a
> > degree.  So, if an IT person wanted to become a programming/systems/
> > operations manager, they couldn't do it.  Stops the climbing of the 
> > ladder
> > if that is what one wants to do.
> >
> > Debbie Panco
> > Senior Systems Analyst / Project Leader
> > United Consumer Financial Services
> > 865 Bassett Road
> > Westlake, Ohio 44142
> > dpanco@xxxxxxxx
> > 440-835-6674
> >
> >
> >