Re: MIDRANGE-JOBS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 184

For the first time I have to disagree with you Joe, a programmer in Mumbai cost of living isn't one third of yours. It is much less. When I worked for Morgan Chase, we had a call center in Mumbai and some of their people(managers and supervisors) came to Florida for training. After spending several weeks with them I can guarantee that your cost of living is probably closer to 8-10 times as much. talk about not having a level playing field.


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From: Shadrach Scott

We need to protect the industry.... that is a load. Protectionism leads
to lazy sub par work. Take an American history class at your local
community college. America has been built and will continue to be built
by competition. When competition comes you need to man up and adapt.

Okay, folks, I'm going to bow out. This guy is getting nasty and insulting,
which is what happens when globalism rhetoric meets common sense. He's
telling me I have to "man up and adapt" against a Mumbai programmer whose
cost of living is less than a third of mine.

Sorry that is hard, sorry that it is not what you want to do, but that
is what happens and will continue to happen. I live in Orange County
California I know a lot of people that make less than 60 thousand a year
and make it just fine. They don't want to live in a lower cost of living
center, they like it here even though it is expensive.

Uh huh. They're not families with kids, either. $60,000 after taxes is
about $40K (maybe $45K). Rent on a 3BR house is easily $2500 a month, or
$30K a year. Throw in a car ($5K a year), and you're down to less than
$1000 a month for food, clothes, and utilities. Add in the cost of health
care and you can forget about retirement savings or college. You may think
this is living, but most people I know don't.

And you think I'm kidding about housing costs... here is what you get for
half a million dollars in OC:

http://www.homesoc.com/property-details.asp?MLSNUM=P606891

I suppose you
would like it if we just paid everyone the same wage no matter the job
or skill or need and every iSeries shop should be required to have a
minimum of what 20 RPG programmers. IBM should put that in the licenses
agreement.

I never said anything like that, and when you twist and distort words it's
clear your position is shaky. Me, I just don't want to compete with an
economy where construction workers make roughly two dollars a day (70 Rs).

Colleges don't teach programming in general because American kids don't
want to be programmers.

Yeah, because American parents in the field are telling their kids to stay
out of it. I'd rather my son were a truck driver; that can't be outsourced.

Anyway, I'm done kids. Got real things to do!

Joe

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