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Sounds good to me. Maybe we should get a sacrificial sales rep from MAPICS to attend also. -----Original Message----- From: DaleGindlesperger@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:DaleGindlesperger@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:37 AM To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion Subject: RE: From the Believe or Not Department at MAPICS... [bcc][faked-from] Maybe we should have a roundtable on this at the MUC this year? In a bar, with lots of consumables..... Dale Gindlesperger IT Manager/Special Projects Leader Fleetwood Folding Trailers, Inc. 258 Beacon Street Somerset, PA 15501 "Walker, Dale" <DWalker@automaticpr To: "MAPICS ERP System Discussion" <mapics-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> oducts.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: From the Believe or Not Department at MAPICS... mapics-l-bounces@mid range.com 02/12/2004 10:27 AM Please respond to MAPICS ERP System Discussion Joe, been there.....done that..... There is a long history of this at Mapics, Inc. If you care to contact me offline I can tell you about my recent encounter with my affiliate and Mapics, Inc. on this same topic. IMO their approach was clearly quite unethical. My affiliate won the battle but lost the war but I won't go into any more detail here. Dale Walker VP, MIS Gross-Given Mfg. / Automatic Products International 651-290-4349 -----Original Message----- From: Joe Perrault [mailto:JRPERRAULT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:09 AM To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion Subject: From the Believe or Not Department at MAPICS... Here's a laugh I though I would share with the group: We have been a MAPICS user for 24+ years, currently on release 6. Our iSeries box is an 820-2395-1523 (120 interactive CPW - 370 total CPW). We are on tier pricing with MAPICS and have about 70 concurrent users. We do some other things on the box outside of MAPICS. IBM is currently offering some very good upgrade prices on an 820 to 810 upgrade. This upgrade would do several things for us including - Triple the performance to 1070 CPW with no interactive limit as well as lower the IBM software tier from P20 to P10 thus saving us about $7,000 per year in software support and maintenance. For an initial investment of $50K-$60K the ROI looks very good not even considering the performance boost. Here is where it gets funny. I spoke to the troll under the bridge, I mean MAPICS, and asked if there would be any charge from them, hoping that the may have indexed their performance tiers at least once since 1978. Here are the options they gave me: Convert Tier to Tier all current modules to the new machine $1.7M (yes that is an M and would be about $24,000 per user) or convert to concurrent user lisence for $130K. They also proposed a much lower cost option to convert to concurrent users with the MAPICS Essentials package and I am sure there is some value in getting those modules we don't already have but never the less it has probably sunk the deal. What was a relative no brainer $50K decision turns into a $120K plus major capital decision on our part. Joe Perrault _______________________________________________ This is the MAPICS ERP System Discussion (MAPICS-L) mailing list To post a message email: MAPICS-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/mapics-l or email: MAPICS-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/mapics-l. _______________________________________________ This is the MAPICS ERP System Discussion (MAPICS-L) mailing list To post a message email: MAPICS-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/mapics-l or email: MAPICS-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/mapics-l. _______________________________________________ This is the MAPICS ERP System Discussion (MAPICS-L) mailing list To post a message email: MAPICS-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/mapics-l or email: MAPICS-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/mapics-l.
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