RE: From the Believe or Not Department at MAPICS...

M$ pricing structure is not that much better, actually in many cases
their pricing comes out much more than MAPICS.


Michael Franchino
Custom Systems Corporation
http://eax.cussys.com
973-726-0202 X214 



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Their pricing structures in situations like this are just another avenue

for Microsoft to exploit.
When you combine it with IBM's pricing practices it makes abandoning the

platform inevitable.

A few years from now we'll see Midrange software companies lining up to 
sue Microsoft for
killing their goose that laid the gilt-tiered egg!

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of good things about MAPICS & IBM, but

there's also the point of diminishing returns......





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Here's a laugh I though I would share with the group:

We have been a MAPICS user for 24+ years, currently on release 6.  Our 
iSeries box is an 820-2395-1523 (120 interactive CPW - 370 total CPW).
We 
are on tier pricing with MAPICS and have about 70 concurrent users.  We
do 
some other things on the box outside of MAPICS.

IBM is currently offering some very good upgrade prices on an 820 to 810

upgrade.  This upgrade would do several things for us including -
Triple 
the performance to 1070 CPW with no interactive limit as well as lower
the 
IBM software tier from P20 to P10 thus saving us about $7,000 per year
in 
software support and maintenance.  For an initial investment of
$50K-$60K 
the ROI looks very good not even considering the performance boost.

Here is where it gets funny.  I spoke to the troll under the bridge, I 
mean MAPICS, and asked if there would be any charge from them, hoping
that 
the may have indexed their performance tiers at least once since 1978. 
Here are the options they gave me:

Convert Tier to Tier all current modules to the new machine $1.7M (yes 
that is an M and would be about $24,000 per user) or convert to
concurrent 
user lisence for $130K.  They also proposed a much lower cost option to 
convert to concurrent users with the MAPICS Essentials package and I am 
sure there is some value in getting those modules we don't already have 
but never the less it has probably sunk the deal.  What was a relative
no 
brainer $50K decision turns into a $120K plus major capital decision on 
our part.

Joe Perrault

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