I agree on the quality of Visual Studio. From what I have seen and heard it is much better than Eclipse. I think MS is missing an opportunity by not opening up visual studio to support development in non-Microsoft environments.

And some of the issues with the one-app-per-server approach is the app and not the server OS but even there I think the OS needs to take some of the blame by allowing a fault app to effect things outside its world. An app should never be able to crash the OS. The OS should be able to prevent that.

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Yeung
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:27 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: need for simple web screen

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Do I like MS personally? No - they have betrayed my trust too many
times in the past. In my opinion they produce bloated unreliable
software that wouldn't get a second look in today's market if people
weren't entrenched into their technologies.

You're entitled to your opinions about MS, but I hope you're not conflating the platform with software built by others for that platform.

We are mainly an IBM i shop here, but other than what we bought/licensed bundled with the machine (operating system, compilers, etc.), there is no software written by IBM at our shop. None.

So if you want to hate MS, fine. Just be clear what it is you're hating. ;)

Of the things MS is legitimately responsible for, .NET and Visual Studio are actually quite good. I don't use them personally, but developer satisfaction and productivity with those tools is generally on par with or even slightly above satisfaction and productivity with Java, other JVM-based languages, and Eclipse.

As to zero MS sessions at COMMON - yes - that's foolish. But are there
any IBM i sessions at MS events?

The scenarios are not symmetrical. Most folks at MS events won't ever use IBM i stuff themselves. Hell, most won't even have heard of IBM i. But who at IBM i events hasn't heard of MS? Who at IBM i events can go through an entire workday without using any MS stuff? I'm sure some, but certainly nothing close to a majority.

John Y.
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