Re: Thinking out loud about a new RPG web framework

Hi Thorbjørn;

Please also keep saying that this is for ILE, not just RPG. This might

be a good point.
<<

People are constantly banning my door with this RPG stuff; so now my fingers
automatically writes it... but of cause you are right - IceBreak has support
for and pre-compilers for all ILE languages namely RPG, COBOL , C++, C and
very shortly also JAVA which will be the vehicle for server side JavaScript.

I'd like to hear a bit more about all the user handling stuff - is it at

the CGI level, or e.g. at the JSP level (with user sessions and cookies
and all)?<

Basically IceBreak is an advanced servlet container for ILE and is modelled
the same way the i.e. Tomcat is a servlet container for JAVA.

So IceBreak are build on an object model with "request object", "response
object", "session object", "server object" etc. which C++ and JAVA can use
directly. RPG, COBOL and C don?t have an object model but can access the
methods via API wrappers.... so it is pretty far from CGI.


When it comes to session stability ( you were discussing earlier this week)
IceBreak can run both state-full and stateless.

In state full mode you can use open sql cursors, QTEMP, commit etc. which is
perfect for Intranet solution and is similar to a 5250 session. The
multithreaded front-end web-server will serialize request and connect
request to the same i5/OS job for each request.

In stateless mode you request will be connected from the multithreaded
front-end web-server to the first available job in a pool of jobs.

.. just to mention a few things ..




Best regards


Niels Liisberg
IceBreak Chief SW Architect

System & Metode Technologies
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-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Sent: 11. juni 2008 18:59
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Thinking out loud about a new RPG web framework

Niels Liisberg skrev den 11-06-2008 18:09:

Hi Thorbjørn;


I'm on the same page as you regarding that "we don?t loose copyright".
However, I think that the RPG world is too small to both a
Commercial-IceBreak and an Open-IceBreak under GPL. Maybe I'm wrong here,
but if the Open-IceBreak kicks off, we (S&M) don?t stand a chance with the
commercial version.

Also - as Matt refer to:

I would be very wary of a GPL license. For better or for worse, GPL is

(or at is least viewed as) an anti-commercial political statement as it is

a

distribution license. We do have a little bit of GPL code here but we

don't

modify it so for us, GPL isn't much better than closed source commercial
software<<

So I would rather have one strong product, controlled from with in a
community.... this is just my initial thoughts.

In that case I believe that the way to monetize is to provide support
and expert consultants. I don't know though.

Please also keep saying that this is for ILE, not just RPG. This might
be a good point.

I'd like to hear a bit more about all the user handling stuff - is it at
the CGI level, or e.g. at the JSP level (with user sessions and cookies
and all)?