Re: Switching to RDI from SEU

[Trevor Perry <trevor@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Aaron,

Just in case David won't let me put hardware prices on a WDS list, I
won't.... 

But yes, I was talking about the compilers + RDi + RDiSOA. The bundling is
now in favor of adding RDiSOA, btw - at least for the lower end of the
spectrum.

Trevor

On 1/9/09 10:59 AM, "Aaron Bartell" <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Could you shed any light on the $$ numbers we are talking for small
> server config?  And by "toolset" do you mean the compilers + RDi + RDi-SOA?
>
> I can't keep up with how IBM prices things.  Another reason why
> RPGNextGen.com is becoming more and more appealing.  I can only imagine
> how frustrating it must be for the IBM RDi developers having a great
> tool and then having their marketing screw it up - just sad.
>
> Aaron Bartell
> http://mowyourlawn.com
>
> Trevor Perry wrote:
> > Aaron,
> >
> > There is still one (small) thing that will ensure that the tools sell. They
> > are still bundled with the hardware for sale. For new boxes and upgrades,
> > the price of the tools is part of the entire sale.
> >
> > That being said, I had a server configured recently and the person doing it
> > missed the numbers - I got back a small server and the software was 8 times
> > the cost of the hardware - yes, 8 times. That was mostly the toolset.
> >
> > Normally, though, the toolset is about 90% of the cost of the server
> > hardware for a small server config (which is higher than ever). I have
> > recently done several, and can not explain the pricing in the configurator.
> > I even asked a prominent (Rational) IBMer to help explain, and that lead to
> > a dead-end. If I were to decide if Rational were in business to make money
> > OR to support their customers for modern toolsets, I would have to choose
> > the former. Which, ironically, the latter will cause the former not to be
> > met.. The recent price 'cuts' that are included in 'bundles', while they
> > have helped a little, really have not come close to the suggestions of the
> > community.
> >
> > Then again, if you order a new Power6 520 server, you ~must~ order the ECS
> > modem. Maybe that is how you download upgrades to the toolset? If you price
> > software high, the customer should expect them to take a long time to
> > download? :-)
> >
> > Trevor