Aaron,

I have not tried the RPGNextGen but I won't end up going to RDi do to
the pricing. I will keep using my WDsc for that reason. As a private
consultant I can't afford to keep shelling out for tools when WDsc works
fine for me.

Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Aaron Bartell
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:59 AM
To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Switching to RDI from SEU

Could you shed any light on the $$ numbers we are talking for small
server config? And by "toolset" do you mean the compilers + RDi +
RDi-SOA?

I can't keep up with how IBM prices things. Another reason why
RPGNextGen.com is becoming more and more appealing. I can only imagine
how frustrating it must be for the IBM RDi developers having a great
tool and then having their marketing screw it up - just sad.

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com

Trevor Perry wrote:
Aaron,

There is still one (small) thing that will ensure that the tools sell.
They
are still bundled with the hardware for sale. For new boxes and
upgrades,
the price of the tools is part of the entire sale.

That being said, I had a server configured recently and the person
doing it
missed the numbers - I got back a small server and the software was 8
times
the cost of the hardware - yes, 8 times. That was mostly the toolset.

Normally, though, the toolset is about 90% of the cost of the server
hardware for a small server config (which is higher than ever). I have
recently done several, and can not explain the pricing in the
configurator.
I even asked a prominent (Rational) IBMer to help explain, and that
lead to
a dead-end. If I were to decide if Rational were in business to make
money
OR to support their customers for modern toolsets, I would have to
choose
the former. Which, ironically, the latter will cause the former not to
be
met.. The recent price 'cuts' that are included in 'bundles', while
they
have helped a little, really have not come close to the suggestions of
the
community.

Then again, if you order a new Power6 520 server, you ~must~ order the
ECS
modem. Maybe that is how you download upgrades to the toolset? If you
price
software high, the customer should expect them to take a long time to
download? :-)

Trevor



On 1/9/09 9:34 AM, "Aaron Bartell" <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


I think adoption will slow considerably given the fact that there is
no
low cost entry into the "new WDSC" (i.e. RDi). I still firmly
believe
IBM is shooting themselves in the foot by approaching it the way they
did without even giving a single-seat-no-charge copy of RDi with
every
compiler purchase. Get it into every shop so it becomes the
house-hold
name for doing RPG development, and then when the shop needs more
than
one license they get to get out their checkbook (but at this point
they
full recognize the ROI).

A 90-day trial will work well enough for existing WDSC users to
determine if they want to pay for RDi, but I hardly believe it is
enough
time for an average SEU RPG programmer to make the switch from
scratch.

It becomes an up-hill battle to educate people on such an excellent
tool
(which I believe it to be the best out there) when the only real way
they can experience it is to get out their empty checkbook. In the
past
I have done quite a few articles, sessions, newsletters, etc,
promoting
WDSC because it was simply a matter of getting through the politics
and
installing it on machines. How do authors/writers promote it now
that
it costs so much? I really wish IBM would have taken the
MyEclipseIDE
approach of charging maybe $50/year/user and then have all support
done
through an online forum and let the community resolve most of the
issues
instead of having to open up a PMR. Heck, the IBM'ers on this list
are
already doing that to some extent (which I think is absolutely
wonderful
btw).

Those are my thoughts for a Friday :-)

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com

Trevor Perry wrote:

David,

Sorry - I finally realized you said 95% of THE shop.

I am finding more and more shops are getting over their problems
with the
older versions of WDSC, and are adopting it fresh. If you treat it
like it
IS new, you may be able to convert everyone over!

Good luck,
Trevor


On 1/9/09 8:57 AM, "Trevor Perry" <trevor@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:








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