RE: GEAC providing Source Code - for a price...

Jim,
I wholeheartedly agree with you on the Geac source code issue.  
Nancy Henson
nhenson@alltrista.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Sehi [mailto:jsehi@hach.com]
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:40 AM
To: 'JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com'
Subject: RE: GEAC providing Source Code - for a price...


Jeff,

I don't think the reason for the lull in the feedback is due to the lack of
passion.  I may be speaking only for myself here, but I have plenty of
passion about this industry.  I suspect that there are many people, like
myself, that are so busy with the things that they can control and
influence, that they are tired of working with JBA/GEAC due to the many
frustrating experiences they have had in the past, and are tired of
expending energy on that endeavor.

I have some deep personal convictions about the JBA software, none of which
could or should be associated to the company I work for.  I have come to the
conclusion that beating a dead horse is a waste of my time and energy.  I
either need to move on or deal with what I have.  If the vendor doesn't
supply a quality product, as advertised, that works out of the box, with
quality technical support... and doesn't give me the opportunity to fix
problems myself by supplying the source code... then my relationship with
that vendor will eventually terminate.  

There are plenty of other companies out there looking for new accounts if
GEAC doesn't want to retain the ones they have.

Revoking rights to the source code is totally unacceptable.  The results of
the lawsuit should send a message....

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff_Klipa/Harvard@harvardind.com
[mailto:Jeff_Klipa/Harvard@harvardind.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:12 PM
To: JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com
Subject: GEAC providing Source Code - for a price...


I am forwarding an anonymous post that I received...

Between you and me and a lamppost; we've been told it would cost $7M for
the
source ... I wouldn't exactly call that "movement".  This won't change
until
the Geac sales team gets enough ammo to say it's impossible to sell
software
given the source-related constraints management has been putting down.
Did you know that 3.5.2b SP2 still comes with source; it's just SP3 that
doesn't.  Care to guess which PTF level we're upgrading to?
Anonymously Yours...

I will always protect the identity of my sources if they choose not to be
identified...

But why is it that I seem to be the only one saying anything "Out-loud" -
publicly to the list...?  (With a few welcome exceptions...)  I keep
getting lots of private posts like this one...  What is it that is stopping
you from sharing this kind of information with the list and sending it with
your name on it...?  Why is everyone so afraid to speak out...?  Does the
1st Amendment to the Constitution not apply to all people...?  Do you all
lack the courage of your convictions...?

We all have to speak with one voice...!  I have visions of the American
Revolution or the Teamsters Union...  They only reached their goals and
dreams by becoming a unified force against their evil oppressors...  These
were passionate people who fought and died for what they believed in...!  I
do not want to end up like Patrick Henry or Jimmy Hoffa but I will continue
to speak out about this evil action until my dying breath (or until we get
our Source Code...!).  Why am I being propped up as the voice of the Source
Code issue...?  I am not the only one affected by this issue...  The lives
of countless IT professionals will be adversely affected by this Draconian
policy...

For those of you who have a contract provision for Source Code, I
congratulate you...  It's time for some of the rest of you to put your
names on the line too...  Thanks to those of you who already have...  But
even if you are lucky enough to be getting your Source Code, what good will
it do you if GEAC cannot sell their package to new customers without
including Source Code...  What if this package dies on the vine due to lack
of sales...  We should all be fighting to keep our Source Code...

Thank you...

PS - I've had two different anonymous sources tell me that the GEAC price
for Source Code will be between $7M and $10M...


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