Re: GEAC providing Source Code - for a price...

    As a former employee of JBA prior to the GEAC purchase, they must have
retained some of those JBA ridiculous ideas on generating revenue. They have
NOT figured out what true customer support is yet. Once they provide quality
service with quality people I would think the customer base will use their
services.  This policy must be a narrow minded attempt to recover lost
revenue due to poor management and the misunderatnding of what the Customer
truly needs. They lost some their best employees by not empowering them to
turn things around. Don't take me wrong they still have some very good
consultants and I wish them all well. Once GEAC understands what the JBA
customer base needs are and willing to meet those needs, Well, maybe they
can build the trust they have lost. I hope they wake up soon. I also vote
the policy must go. Other ERP packages I have worked on/with did not have
this policy or so called rumor.  But my vote does not count anymore.
Good Luck.
Barry Foxworthy
----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Lynch <plynch@sunflowermfg.com>
To: <JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: GEAC providing Source Code - for a price...


> Jeff,
>
> I, too, would vote your way.
>
> Pat Lynch
> Sunflower Mfg. Co., Inc.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-jbausers-l@midrange.com
> > [mailto:owner-jbausers-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Jim Sehi
> > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 9:40 AM
> > To: 'JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com'
> > Subject: RE: GEAC providing Source Code - for a price...
> >
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > I don't think the reason for the lull in the feedback is due to
> > the lack of
> > passion.  I may be speaking only for myself here, but I have plenty of
> > passion about this industry.  I suspect that there are many people, like
> > myself, that are so busy with the things that they can control and
> > influence, that they are tired of working with JBA/GEAC due to the many
> > frustrating experiences they have had in the past, and are tired of
> > expending energy on that endeavor.
> >
> > I have some deep personal convictions about the JBA software,
> > none of which
> > could or should be associated to the company I work for.  I have
> > come to the
> > conclusion that beating a dead horse is a waste of my time and energy.
I
> > either need to move on or deal with what I have.  If the vendor doesn't
> > supply a quality product, as advertised, that works out of the box, with
> > quality technical support... and doesn't give me the opportunity to fix
> > problems myself by supplying the source code... then my relationship
with
> > that vendor will eventually terminate.
> >
> > There are plenty of other companies out there looking for new accounts
if
> > GEAC doesn't want to retain the ones they have.
> >
> > Revoking rights to the source code is totally unacceptable.  The
> > results of
> > the lawsuit should send a message....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff_Klipa/Harvard@harvardind.com
> > [mailto:Jeff_Klipa/Harvard@harvardind.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:12 PM
> > To: JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com
> > Subject: GEAC providing Source Code - for a price...
> >
> >
> > I am forwarding an anonymous post that I received...
> >
> > Between you and me and a lamppost; we've been told it would cost $7M for
> > the
> > source ... I wouldn't exactly call that "movement".  This won't change
> > until
> > the Geac sales team gets enough ammo to say it's impossible to sell
> > software
> > given the source-related constraints management has been putting down.
> > Did you know that 3.5.2b SP2 still comes with source; it's just SP3 that
> > doesn't.  Care to guess which PTF level we're upgrading to?
> > Anonymously Yours...
> >
> > I will always protect the identity of my sources if they choose not to
be
> > identified...
> >
> > But why is it that I seem to be the only one saying anything
"Out-loud" -
> > publicly to the list...?  (With a few welcome exceptions...)  I keep
> > getting lots of private posts like this one...  What is it that
> > is stopping
> > you from sharing this kind of information with the list and
> > sending it with
> > your name on it...?  Why is everyone so afraid to speak out...?  Does
the
> > 1st Amendment to the Constitution not apply to all people...?  Do you
all
> > lack the courage of your convictions...?
> >
> > We all have to speak with one voice...!  I have visions of the American
> > Revolution or the Teamsters Union...  They only reached their goals and
> > dreams by becoming a unified force against their evil oppressors...
These
> > were passionate people who fought and died for what they believed
> > in...!  I
> > do not want to end up like Patrick Henry or Jimmy Hoffa but I
> > will continue
> > to speak out about this evil action until my dying breath (or until we
get
> > our Source Code...!).  Why am I being propped up as the voice of
> > the Source
> > Code issue...?  I am not the only one affected by this issue...  The
lives
> > of countless IT professionals will be adversely affected by this
Draconian
> > policy...
> >
> > For those of you who have a contract provision for Source Code, I
> > congratulate you...  It's time for some of the rest of you to put your
> > names on the line too...  Thanks to those of you who already have...
But
> > even if you are lucky enough to be getting your Source Code, what
> > good will
> > it do you if GEAC cannot sell their package to new customers without
> > including Source Code...  What if this package dies on the vine
> > due to lack
> > of sales...  We should all be fighting to keep our Source Code...
> >
> > Thank you...
> >
> > PS - I've had two different anonymous sources tell me that the GEAC
price
> > for Source Code will be between $7M and $10M...
> >
> >
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