RE: GEAC providing Source Code - for a price...

Jeff,

I, too, would vote your way.

Pat Lynch
Sunflower Mfg. Co., Inc.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-jbausers-l@midrange.com
> [mailto:owner-jbausers-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Jim Sehi
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 9:40 AM
> To: 'JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com'
> Subject: RE: GEAC providing Source Code - for a price...
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> I don't think the reason for the lull in the feedback is due to
> the lack of
> passion.  I may be speaking only for myself here, but I have plenty of
> passion about this industry.  I suspect that there are many people, like
> myself, that are so busy with the things that they can control and
> influence, that they are tired of working with JBA/GEAC due to the many
> frustrating experiences they have had in the past, and are tired of
> expending energy on that endeavor.
>
> I have some deep personal convictions about the JBA software,
> none of which
> could or should be associated to the company I work for.  I have
> come to the
> conclusion that beating a dead horse is a waste of my time and energy.  I
> either need to move on or deal with what I have.  If the vendor doesn't
> supply a quality product, as advertised, that works out of the box, with
> quality technical support... and doesn't give me the opportunity to fix
> problems myself by supplying the source code... then my relationship with
> that vendor will eventually terminate.
>
> There are plenty of other companies out there looking for new accounts if
> GEAC doesn't want to retain the ones they have.
>
> Revoking rights to the source code is totally unacceptable.  The
> results of
> the lawsuit should send a message....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff_Klipa/Harvard@harvardind.com
> [mailto:Jeff_Klipa/Harvard@harvardind.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:12 PM
> To: JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com
> Subject: GEAC providing Source Code - for a price...
>
>
> I am forwarding an anonymous post that I received...
>
> Between you and me and a lamppost; we've been told it would cost $7M for
> the
> source ... I wouldn't exactly call that "movement".  This won't change
> until
> the Geac sales team gets enough ammo to say it's impossible to sell
> software
> given the source-related constraints management has been putting down.
> Did you know that 3.5.2b SP2 still comes with source; it's just SP3 that
> doesn't.  Care to guess which PTF level we're upgrading to?
> Anonymously Yours...
>
> I will always protect the identity of my sources if they choose not to be
> identified...
>
> But why is it that I seem to be the only one saying anything "Out-loud" -
> publicly to the list...?  (With a few welcome exceptions...)  I keep
> getting lots of private posts like this one...  What is it that
> is stopping
> you from sharing this kind of information with the list and
> sending it with
> your name on it...?  Why is everyone so afraid to speak out...?  Does the
> 1st Amendment to the Constitution not apply to all people...?  Do you all
> lack the courage of your convictions...?
>
> We all have to speak with one voice...!  I have visions of the American
> Revolution or the Teamsters Union...  They only reached their goals and
> dreams by becoming a unified force against their evil oppressors...  These
> were passionate people who fought and died for what they believed
> in...!  I
> do not want to end up like Patrick Henry or Jimmy Hoffa but I
> will continue
> to speak out about this evil action until my dying breath (or until we get
> our Source Code...!).  Why am I being propped up as the voice of
> the Source
> Code issue...?  I am not the only one affected by this issue...  The lives
> of countless IT professionals will be adversely affected by this Draconian
> policy...
>
> For those of you who have a contract provision for Source Code, I
> congratulate you...  It's time for some of the rest of you to put your
> names on the line too...  Thanks to those of you who already have...  But
> even if you are lucky enough to be getting your Source Code, what
> good will
> it do you if GEAC cannot sell their package to new customers without
> including Source Code...  What if this package dies on the vine
> due to lack
> of sales...  We should all be fighting to keep our Source Code...
>
> Thank you...
>
> PS - I've had two different anonymous sources tell me that the GEAC price
> for Source Code will be between $7M and $10M...
>
>
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