RE: Eclipse bloatware was Re: Format command for externally-described

Help Systems (Fortra) offered "SEU Plus" to enhance SEU with a number of functions. Still shows on their website. Part of Linoma's RPG ToolBox.

Good gawd...
Why tie one hand behind your back with SEU?
When I switched to RDi (years ago), my productivity (after some learning curve) was at least 50% improved and possibly even 100%.
I used VS Code to edit some Python and shell scripts directly on the IFS and I thought it was fine - quite nice, actually.
Admittedly, I would use SEU if I had a quick 1-2 line fix but only if RDi wasn't already open on my PC. But that was rare.

Roger Harman
COMMON Certified Application Developer - ILE RPG on IBM i on Power


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From: RPG400-L <rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Jon Paris
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 3:39 PM
To: RPG programming on IBM i <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Eclipse bloatware was Re: Format command for externally-described

Hi Buck,

Not that I want to encourage anyone to think of SEU as anything other than the dinosaur it is I have to correct part of your comment.

"SEU is unscriptable. No alternative key bindings, no internal hooks/extension points and a block mode interface."

There are indeed "hooks/extension points" - you can add your own line commands - Jeff Olen published an example some time back (https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mcpressonline.com%2Fprogramming%2Frpg%2Ftechtip-userdefined-seu-line-commands&data=05%7C01%7C%7C79ebf87d605a4070f6fe08dafb3f8fdb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638098547660034748%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=r7J2P7YIlUPB9%2F5d%2Bxjqre715KM3OYukea48cmyCleI%3D&reserved=0 <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mcpressonline.com%2Fprogramming%2Frpg%2Ftechtip-userdefined-seu-line-commands&data=05%7C01%7C%7C79ebf87d605a4070f6fe08dafb3f8fdb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638098547660034748%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=r7J2P7YIlUPB9%2F5d%2Bxjqre715KM3OYukea48cmyCleI%3D&reserved=0>). This was a feature that a number of us insisted be made available before IBM stopped further enhancements to SEU. Don't recall the release where it came out but the exit point are there.

I have to admit when I looked up Jeff's example I just about died laughing. The article was published almost 20 years ago - and begins with:

"I know it's not terribly popular these days to be advocating the use of SEU, but regardless of the benefits of using other IDEs ..."

Nothing changes does it <grin>


Jon P.

On Jan 20, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Buck Calabro <kc2hiz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 1/19/2023 5:15 PM, Mihael wrote:

For me ... at the moment ... Eclipse RCP framework is the only way to go if you want to develop a GUI application (non-browser) in Java.

Bravo Mihael!

It seems to me that my particular workflow in my particular environment has a great bearing on the editor that I want to use.

As an RPGer doing mostly maintenance, I had a Code/400 script that I used to pick out the file name on an F-spec, reach out to the IBM system and pop up a window of check-able column names. Select the ones I want and I have an instant data structure, SQL SELECT clause, O-specs (remember those?), even a list of TODO comments that remind me what columns I need to put on the screen. Code was great for this kind of thing because I could just open another Code window, work on the script, and then test/use it in real time in the RPG source member I was working on.

It's possible to do similar things in Eclipse/RDi - access to JT400 is SUPER POWERFUL - but I have to stop what I'm doing, change mental gears, get into Java mode, write/deploy/test/repeat until the plugin is Good Enough. Then I switch back into RPG mode and get back to whatever I was doing. Very much more disruptive than real time scripting.

I have only recently looked at scripting Liam's extensions to VS Code, so I have no opinion yet.

SEU is unscriptable. No alternative key bindings, no internal hooks/extension points and a block mode interface.

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