RE: Open Access for RPG

not just RPG coders. VB coders, asp coders, perl codersTrue, in general, but RPG programmers in general are rea
The company they work for only cares about getting the project done in the least amount of time so theAlso true, but thats what i meant. Companies can't assess. They just don't know any better these days that a programmer is someone who knows a specific trick, be it RPG or Java.

My belief is that companies (customers, the IT consumer) is not to blaim for being short-sightened .The SD industry is to blame, by not investing in SD knowledge and skills, by not educating IT consumers etc

From: mike.cunningham@xxxxxxx
To: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:40:05 -0400
Subject: RE: Open Access for RPG

Part of my point was this is not just RPG coders. VB coders, asp coders, perl coders, java coders, pick any language you like. Once they get to know the language and what works they keep using it. And to add to that a lot of times it is not their fault. The company they work for only cares about getting the project done in the least amount of time so they can move on to the next project. Leaving no time or budget for learning the latest and greatest.

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Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:36 AM
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Subject: RE: Open Access for RPG


Mike said:

People, in general, resist change. Maybe true, but as a professional software developer one should be interested/motivated learning / reading about software development. You get paid for that. Not to learn some syntax 20 years ago and then simply rest on your laurels after that, still churning out green-screens. And one should have learnt "modern" techniques/idea etc 10/15 years ago. Now it's far too late if you're still making green-screen monolithic program's ala '70s.

People like change... they just don't like to get it shoved thru their noses.
Most RPG'ers are not "software developers". They simply rolled into it because it pays the bills. Most people are not interested in the latest SW developments. And RPG'ers are like most people i suppose, they have a job, from 9-5, and do whatever they have to do. And that's it. Coming home they spend time on their hobbies, like car repair or whatever, but not software development.

For the most part code written 20 years ago will still compile and run today. ITrue, but not an excuse.

From: mike.cunningham@xxxxxxx
To: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 07:56:24 -0400
Subject: RE: Open Access for RPG

Don't pick out RPG programmers and put only them into this group. This behavior is across all aspects of everything people do. People, in general, resist change. Doesn't matter what the change is they resists it. What I think might make this more apparent in the IBM midrange environment is that IBM has done an exceptional job in keeping RPG backwards compatible. For the most part code written 20 years ago will still compile and run today. In contrast if RPG was a Microsoft product there would have been forced change along the way that would prevent 20 year old code from running today and people who have code this old that still works would have been forced to recode it at least every 5 years to have it work in a current compiler.

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From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john e
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 4:28 AM
To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: RE: Open Access for RPG

My experience so far tells me that RPG Programmers are a> lazy bunch (exceptions prove the rule).

That's - very frustrating - my experience also for the last 20 years working in RPG environments.Trying to "persuade" (which to begin with i shouldn't have to do) an RPG programmer to learn something "new" is like pulling a dead horse.
I already gave up on this, and now i'm looking for an alternative development career because the AS/400 is really the best business platform out there but the development tools/people morale etc is pathetic. There is no future anymore in this platform.

From: Mihael.Schmidt@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Open Access for RPG
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:24:42 +0000

The truth is that the major part of iSeries programmers dosn't fit in to
iNetwork, Midrange.com or whatever - they are highly skilled in their
applications and may be resonable good programmers, but is either not
aware, has no experience or has fear to join a forum amoung so called
experts that in best case gives them three lines of code (with a lot
is expected to be understod) where the actually wanted an example.

In other words, they are "holistic", programming is only a matter of
reaching the overall goal - to do their job or achive their goals.

If you look back in the EASY400GROUP, Jon, you will find that many of
my examples is based on "working examples" or actual solutions, I never
answer people with one statement of code where they have to figure the
rest out for themselves.

Join a forum/channel/newsgroup which handles some mainstream programming language and provide a working example for some trivial task/question and you'll find yourself being slapped for that. Why? Because joining a forum/channel/etc is also about learning and not just about letting other people do the work.

My experience so far tells me that RPG Programmers are a lazy bunch (exceptions prove the rule).

Mihael
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