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RE: Open Access for RPG



Why I do not want to learn new stuff ? It is very simple I do not want to
compete agains young kids coming out of college for a merely 35k a year.
I can understand that, but as i said it's far too late now.
Why you think companies want to hire young kids??Or outsource development to india, where they pay peanuts, for some codemonkeys??Because real skills are nowhere to be found.And if they're there, no manager has the necessary skills to recognize these skills.
If you learn a simple "trick", like learning the RPG language and environment, you didn't learn any skills. You need to have 10 years experience the least, the right experience meaning you should always try to do things better, learn, and develop yourself, trying to apply best practices etc.If you simple repeat some tricks, there is little added value to pay for someone "experienced", who is inflexible, stubborn and has no modern IT skills. You could have done this 15 years ago, learn OO, Java and the like, learn how to build complex software the right way, modularize, and make it so that it can support business operations for 100 years if necessary. Then you had 15 years real software development experience instead of experience repeating that same old trick.
The solution to all these enterprise development blues is.... the cloud!Yes, thats right.It's crazy for let's say an sausage factory to build their own software. There are simply not enough skills for all companies to have dedicated staff for this (i.e. staff with good SD skills). It's not scalable.So, the next 10 years IT will be transformed, in that operations all move into "the cloud" (why hire a staff just to keep your e-mail server up). Also, SD will move away from companies, and concentrated in specialized SD companies that sell these skills (not by the hour but by the app) to create custom software for companies in a cost effective way. And maybe in 50 years, the SD profession is more "professional" and not consisting of mainly one-trick clueless code monkeys hoping for their retirement.
But at least you're honest






From: couturem@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Open Access for RPG
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 07:54:53 -0500

You guys are totally wrong !

Why I do not want to learn new stuff ? It is very simple I do not want to
compete agains young kids coming out of college for a merely 35k a year.

Or compete against the Indian people who are willing to work at $10/hours.

The IBM midrange gave me the opportunity to be retired this December, isn't
the rewards working 7 days a week, more than 60 hours a week ?

Yes I will enjoyed being retired at 47 , thanks System-34, System-36,
System-38, AS/400, iSeries, RPG, RPG II, RPG III, RPG ILE, CL, SQL !

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From: "john e" <jacobus1968@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:39 AM
To: "RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries" <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Open Access for RPG




Mike said:> In contrast if RPG was a Microsoft product there would have
been forced change along the way that would prevent 20 year old code from
running today and people who have code this old that still works would ...
Microsoft... i was not talking about M$
The problem is that most (i.e. 99,9%) RPG programmers dont want to learn
new stuff. They simply don't want to, dont do it, unless they are forced
to do it.
They *are* a lazy bunch, just waiting for their retirement




From: mike.cunningham@xxxxxxx
To: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 07:56:24 -0400
Subject: RE: Open Access for RPG

Don't pick out RPG programmers and put only them into this group. This
behavior is across all aspects of everything people do. People, in
general, resist change. Doesn't matter what the change is they resists
it. What I think might make this more apparent in the IBM midrange
environment is that IBM has done an exceptional job in keeping RPG
backwards compatible. For the most part code written 20 years ago will
still compile and run today. In contrast if RPG was a Microsoft product
there would have been forced change along the way that would prevent 20
year old code from running today and people who have code this old that
still works would have been forced to recode it at least every 5 years to
have it work in a current compiler.

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From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john e
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 4:28 AM
To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: RE: Open Access for RPG



My experience so far tells me that RPG Programmers are a> lazy bunch
(exceptions prove the rule).

That's - very frustrating - my experience also for the last 20 years
working in RPG environments.Trying to "persuade" (which to begin with i
shouldn't have to do) an RPG programmer to learn something "new" is like
pulling a dead horse.
I already gave up on this, and now i'm looking for an alternative
development career because the AS/400 is really the best business
platform out there but the development tools/people morale etc is
pathetic. There is no future anymore in this platform.
From: Mihael.Schmidt@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Open Access for RPG
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:24:42 +0000


The truth is that the major part of iSeries programmers dosn't fit in
to
iNetwork, Midrange.com or whatever - they are highly skilled in their
applications and may be resonable good programmers, but is either not
aware, has no experience or has fear to join a forum amoung so called
experts that in best case gives them three lines of code (with a lot
is expected to be understod) where the actually wanted an example.

In other words, they are "holistic", programming is only a matter of
reaching the overall goal - to do their job or achive their goals.

If you look back in the EASY400GROUP, Jon, you will find that many of
my examples is based on "working examples" or actual solutions, I
never
answer people with one statement of code where they have to figure
the
rest out for themselves.

Join a forum/channel/newsgroup which handles some mainstream
programming language and provide a working example for some trivial
task/question and you'll find yourself being slapped for that. Why?
Because joining a forum/channel/etc is also about learning and not just
about letting other people do the work.

My experience so far tells me that RPG Programmers are a lazy bunch
(exceptions prove the rule).

Mihael
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