RE: Copyrights (was Re: strsep sourc) -- RPG400-L

I just read something on this. And it is true that things like "email" are
copyrighted (with or without actually stating so). But the is no monetary
loss achieved by whomever replies to this, so suing someone over it doesn't
make sense and is typically thrown out of court. 
Take the issue of using strsep(). Did the students of the University build
that software? If so, then there's no way the university can sell it for a
profit. Therefore there is no way financial damage can be done and a suit
would probably not result. Is strsep() actually copyrighted itself? Or
was/is is part of a larger work and each piece simply includes a copyright
notice due to legacy practices? If so, then there's fair use issues to
consider.  And to the point of going back in time with Sherman and the
Wayback machine and copyrighting "A = 1 + 2" can't be done. Never mind that
you can't travel back in time, but the item is too small to copyright, is an
algorithm (which can be patented but not copyrighted) and its just a dumb
idea. <g>


Bob Cozzi
Cozzi Consulting
www.rpgiv.com


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I think you're wrong.  Even if the use of "free" software does not make 
money for someone else, it still deprives them of their income.  Take the 
recent lawsuits being instituted against the roots of Linux.

Rob Berendt
-- 
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary 
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." 
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I would think that most copyright holders would not go to the effort of
taking action
Against anyone that infringed their copyright, unless the theif was 
actually
making money out
Out of what they had taken. 

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rpg400-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

>  10. Re: strsep sourc (Buck)
>
>Scott's comments about derivative works comes from the idea that you 
>can't copy pages from my copyrighted math textbook, publish it with a 
>new cover and call it your own.
>

What bothers me about all of this is the "standard practice" of using 
copyrighted programs that (nearly?) all of us have done... E.g., we see 
a copyrighted article in a trade magazine that provides an example 
template for "Work with..." functions and think nothing of using it more 
or less directly as the basis for every "Work with..." function we ever 
write. Downloadable code is usually available too, now that telecomm is 
everywhere.

Technically, that's a possible copyright violation and I challenge 
anybody to prove that a lawyer _couldn't_ convince a court of it. But 
it's common practice. It's been so common for so long that the entire 
concept of copying _published_ code for inclusion in applications calls 
into question the validity of enforcing copyrights once the code is 
widely published.

How is it possible to know when a copyright is "serious"? (I don't know 
a better word for this.)

Tom Liotta


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