Re: Copyrights (was Re: strsep sourc) -- RPG400-L

There is nothing in the law that "requires" registration in order to sue for
damages.
A lawyer will tell you it strengthens your case (and also charge for both
the
advise  and helping with the registration process).
Patents require registration (and can be rejected).
A court can reject your copyright, even if registered.
jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob cozzi" <cozzi@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "'RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries'" <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: Copyrights (was Re: strsep sourc)


> Walden,
> True, but no I've just violated the (c) copyright by including it in this
> reply. But since you did not register it, no monetary damages may be
> awarded.
> That's why screen writers not only register their scripts with the Screen
> Writers Guild, but the smart ones also copyright the scripts and register
> the copyright. Typically, I think when people say "I've copyrighted that
> item" it means they have paid the $20 and registered it with the copyright
> office.
>
> Bob Cozzi
> Cozzi Consulting
> www.rpgiv.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Walden H. Leverich III
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:37 AM
> To: 'RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries'
> Subject: RE: Copyrights (was Re: strsep sourc)
>
> Bob,
>
> I'm not sure if this is what your saying or not, but to clarify, there is
no
> need to register with the copyright office to have a copyright. It is
> advantageuos, yes, but the minute you create a work you own the copyright
to
> it. In fact, this very e-mail is (c) Walden Leverich, 2003. <G>
>
> -Walden
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob cozzi [mailto:cozzi@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:04 AM
> To: 'RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries'
> Subject: RE: Copyrights (was Re: strsep sourc)
>
>
> Tom,
> I agree, but of course, I no lawyer either but I have talked with them a
lot
> over the years. I'm not sure what the standard is for code that is
written,
> has the copyright notice embedded in it, is not registered with the
> copyright office, and then is published in a magazine or on-line.
Certainly
> most printed periodicals, such as the old Midrange magazine, Q38 and
> News/3x/400 actually copyrighted for their work and paid the $10 (now $20)
> to register it. But does that mean the article or more precisely the code
is
> copyrighted too? Yes it is as a part of that magazine, but in and of
itself?
> No.  Is it "fair use" if someone then uses that code? Well in 99.9 of the
> instances, I think the author indicates that you can use this code. But I
> think the idea is that you don't use it verbatim, that is unchanged, and
try
> to sell it to someone, but without adding your own copyright registration,
> since it is part of a larger work, that's probably not enforceable. But
who
> know. I'm not sure but I don't think you can arbitrarily say "I copyright
> this code, hereby place it into the public domain, provided you follow my
> personal guidelines". You either place it into the public domain or you
> don't, just because you said "Include my T&C's with it" I don't think that
> it matters. But what do I know.
>
>
> Bob Cozzi
> Cozzi Consulting
> www.rpgiv.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Qsrvbas
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:30 AM
> To: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Copyrights (was Re: strsep sourc)
>
> rpg400-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> >  10. Re: strsep sourc (Buck)
> >
> >Scott's comments about derivative works comes from the idea that you
can't
> >copy pages from my copyrighted math textbook, publish it with a new cover
> >and call it your own.
> >
>
> What bothers me about all of this is the "standard practice" of using
> copyrighted programs that (nearly?) all of us have done... E.g., we see
> a copyrighted article in a trade magazine that provides an example
> template for "Work with..." functions and think nothing of using it more
> or less directly as the basis for every "Work with..." function we ever
> write. Downloadable code is usually available too, now that telecomm is
> everywhere.
>
> Technically, that's a possible copyright violation and I challenge
> anybody to prove that a lawyer _couldn't_ convince a court of it. But
> it's common practice. It's been so common for so long that the entire
> concept of copying _published_ code for inclusion in applications calls
> into question the validity of enforcing copyrights once the code is
> widely published.
>
> How is it possible to know when a copyright is "serious"? (I don't know
> a better word for this.)
>
> Tom Liotta
>
>
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