One other quick point. IBM has to be careful when they tell you how to do
quite a bit of this. They have to support many thousands of systems each
with a slightly different configuration and software load. If they say, do
this; it had better work across a very wide range of systems without a
problem. Those of us in the field have a different situation. We can
actually sign on and look at the system and make decisions based on what we
see there. We also have a far smaller world of support.
Each administrator knows the system they support quite well, a very vertical
knowledge base. I along with Larry, Pete, and a couple others deal with
100s of systems a year so our knowledge has to be quite deep true, but it
also has to be very wide to accommodate all of those other systems we run
into. That's were a lot of this comes from. Deep long term experience and
wide experience seeing 100s of systems and we do these things to save
ourselves time and our customers money.
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Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects
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Steinmetz, Paul
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 6:55 AM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: V7R2 OS Upgrade - Work with licensed programs for target
release questions
Jim,
The PTFs will be there, but will they be installed?
How about Java 8, 5770JV1, options 16 and 17?
Paul
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Oberholtzer
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 11:57 PM
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Subject: RE: V7R2 OS Upgrade - Work with licensed programs for target
release questions
Paul,
5733OPS should not stop you from using the DLSO. Build your base install
with option 40.
Build a save file for 5733OPS *BASE through option 15 all in a single
library
Save each option (I always use a control language program that just saves
each option one after another)
Save the library to a save file
Build/upgrade your partition
FTP the save file with the OPS save files in it.
Restore the library
Run the CL you just built to restore the 5733OPS License program products
Done.
All the PTFs will come across when you save the LICPGMs
That library I mentioned is how I install 5733OPS to my customer's machines
to avoid having to apply PTFs since I keep my base "Gold" partition fully
PTFd on a weekly basis.
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Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects
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Steinmetz, Paul
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 7:48 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: V7R2 OS Upgrade - Work with licensed programs for target
release questions
Jim, Rob, and the gang.
I tried this many times, different LPARS, no success.
Opened up a PMR with IBM.
Looks like no can do.
My goal of a DLSO option with all LPP and PTFs will not happen.
This V7R2 OS upgrade will take multiple IPLs and multiple PTF applies.
See IBM's response below.
Anyone have any tricks or shortcuts.
. These products are not parts of the standard set and are not implemented
in "the list". As such they are not implemented in the tools that create or
manage the list. This function is not PTF'd so it would require a re-save
of the OS to add the functions. Currently there are no plans for a resave.
Therefore they are not enabled for the install process. So for the time
being, the only option is to install them post upgrade.
In addition, there is no plan to implement 5733OPS as a base product
offering. Refer to Tech Doc.
http://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=nas8N1021450 for IBM's statement
on this product offering.
For purposes of creating your DLSO image these products must be install
after the standard products are installed.
Paul
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Oberholtzer
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 9:41 AM
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Subject: RE: V7R2 OS Upgrade - Work with licensed programs for target
release questions
When you build a system using the DLSO option (Larry and I tend to do this
all the time) the profile will assist in setting up what is put onto the
distribution media. I don't tend to mess with it too much because normally
I'm doing OS upgrades with them. New installs are really rare, as opposed
to unload/reload.
The advantage to doing an OS upgrade this way is when I deliver the OS media
to you for the upgrade, 100% of the PTFs you will need are already applied
therefore cutting down the length of the down time needed to do the upgrade.
On a P8 (8way with 4 cores turned on) I did a V7R1 to V7R3 upgrade in just
shy of 75 minutes last week. With the shutdown and start up the upgrade
took under 2 hours. Customer happy!
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Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects
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CRPence
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 3:25 PM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: V7R2 OS Upgrade - Work with licensed programs for target
release questions
On 07-Oct-2016 15:11 -0500, Steinmetz, Paul wrote:
[.] I thought this would be part of option 5 - Prepare for install,
which has to be done before the install and to verify the image
catalog. [.]
I have not closely followed this discussion... but does Option-41 for
establishing an Installation Profile assist in any way?
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Regards, Chuck
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