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Re: PTF install questions

The extremely limited information I have is what I was told by "boss". I
don't think he had either the level of contact with the vendor, or the
combat spirit to find out what the heck was going on. Then, due to the
wonders around here, his contact was broken. Suits in high places. Spend
an embarrassingly high sum on a replacement system that does more (no idea
how much more, I have no access) then current system, and they look to save
money where ever they can squeeze a nickel.

Moving to 6.1 or 7.1 should have happened. This may have been result of
unnamed sa. Just do not know. Boss did an upgrade, so he says, a long
time ago. Would have been prior to 1997 when we were still on CISC. My
upgrade experience was early 90s on B50. A world of difference from 520.


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:01 PM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I'd dearly love to know why the vendor wishes to stop at 6.1.
Is it because they've not tested it on 7.1?
Is it because of some other issue? Like my favorite pet peeve is how IBM
always changes CPYTOIMPF with every release.
If it's because they like to stay one release behind for "stability"
reasons, smack them upside the head. Three years plus of service, eight
cumes, six technology refreshes; that's enough of a shakedown cruise.

I'm having a tough enough of a time getting IBM to patch security
breaches, now, in 7.1 with them attempting to postpone it to some future
release.

Rob Berendt
--
IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1
Group Dekko
Dept 1600
Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com





From: John McKee <jmmckee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 08/28/2013 02:35 PM
Subject: Re: PTF install questions
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



I ran ANOBJCVN. Vendor code was clean. Nice, because a year or two ago,
they came out with a service program but no source. We have all other
source. I have had to backtrack programs to that point, and passed that
to
"my boss". I put that in quotes for a reason. Entire structure has been
upended. Officially, he isn't my boss anymore. Used to be, though. But,
I try to get things done for him. He has authority to ask me.

I have never been in such a weird environment as this has become.

Point is, I asked boss why stop at 6.1. His response was based on his
contact with vendor. From what I have read on this list and read in the
MTU for 6.1 and 7.1, I see nothing odd going on. But, then, there is that
service program with no source.....

John McKee


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:03 PM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

No problem. Often it is a mutual dilemma. The customer tries to go on
the cheap and stop paying maintenance. Now they want to upgrade from
V5R4
and find that the vendors programs will not run on 6.1 or 7.1 without
recompilation. Since they have no source they contact the vendor. The
vendor is glad to help, providing the customer does one of two things:
1 - pay all back maintenance, plus x% for not paying in a timely
fashion,
or
2 - buy their software at current list price.
Then the shoving match starts...

Then again, it could be my initial suspicion, that the vendor is
pocketing
all their support money and putting none into the product.


Rob Berendt
--
IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1
Group Dekko
Dept 1600
Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com





From: John McKee <jmmckee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 08/28/2013 01:53 PM
Subject: Re: PTF install questions
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



Rob,

Thank you for the links, and your patience.

As to vendor level: I have no contact with the vendor. My boss >had<
contact with vendor. He is trying to get that restored. It is just
plain
weird. At times, I feel like I am rearranging deck chairs on Titanic.
System still used, minimal level, for an uncertain time. People seem to
be
jumping ship when they can.

John McKee


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:11 PM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As far as still running old versions of the OS goes, do you know that
IBM
support will only give you six months upon the announce date of SUSE
Linux
to get to that version if you still want support?

IBM i is a bit different
V5R4 has been GA for 7 and a half years.
6.1 has been GA for almost 5 and a half years.
7.1 has been GA for almost 3 and a half years.

If your vendor can't support 7.1 well after 3 years of general
availability, dump them. I don't speak lightly. I dumped vendors who
weren't ready for 6.1 within 6 months of GA date.
I don't pay vendor support so they can spend all the money on solely
paying off their last leveraged buy out. I expect product.

Hope you're not running BPCS. Support for that running on V5R4 dies
9/30/2013. I didn't see any offer of a program extension available
for
that.

Rob Berendt
--
IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1
Group Dekko
Dept 1600
Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com

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