I bet when all is said and done...

They'll be paying more in maint fess for SAP.

Charles

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:08 AM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
That is a pretty salty maintenance fee.

If you didn't know that JDE support was a million bucks, would you feel
that the 3rd party maintenance people are really worth several hundred
thousand dollars per year?  Do you really feel that you get the benefit
out of them that you wouldn't get in having a team of consultants on your
premises full time for that whole year?  Because for several hundred
thousand dollars per year that could be done.  Or is this one of those
deals where it's "Honey, the list price on this mattress is $1,500, see
the tag?  But they only want $350!"


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From:   "sjl" <sjl_abc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To:     midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx,
Date:   04/25/2012 07:53 AM
Subject:        Re: Next Version of JDE World requires i 7.1
Sent by:        midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



Rob -

The companies who have decided to quit paying for JDE support have
typically
made the decision to move away from the AS/400 - iSeries - IBM i platform.

/Before/ dropping JDE support, they have already upgraded their hardware
and
OS to current versions and have already received and loaded the necessary
base objects from Oracle which failed ANZOBJCVN.

They also have the JDE source code so that they can support it themselves
or
engage third-party consultants to support it while they go through the
project to migrate to the new system.

I know of several companies which are following this strategy as they
convert to SAP.

One of them is currently paying Oracle over 1 million dollars per year for

support, so the cost savings are substantial, even after paying several
hundred thousand per year to the third-party support company.

- sjl


wrote in message
news:mailman.12817.1335351737.14575.midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx...

How effective is 3rd party maintenance?  For example, let's say JDE World
ran on V5R4 and didn't pass ANZOBJCVN.  Now you want to migrate to 7.1.
Let's say there are some programs that no one gets source for, like
security, licensing and a choked through utility or two to double check
licensing.  Are 3rd party maintenance companies allowed to give you these
new object?  Another scenario.  Let's say you finally decide to move to a
power 7 with a different serial number.  Can these third party maintenance
companies give you new keys?  Or are you now stuck either repurchasing the
software or catching up on all maintenance to JDE plus a penalty?


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From:   John Jones <chianime@xxxxxxxxx>
To:     Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date:   04/24/2012 05:26 PM
Subject:        Re: Next Version of JDE World requires i 7.1
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"Yes" but probably more to JDE than IBM.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:52 PM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

3rd party maintenance of JDE world or 3rd party maintenance of your IBM
power system and the i os that runs on it?


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From:   "Lindstrom, Scott R." <slindstrom@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:     Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date:   04/24/2012 04:23 PM
Subject:        RE: Next Version of JDE World requires i 7.1
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This will definitely push some customers to the 3rd party maintenance
vendors.

Not all of us techies are in control of the direction our companies take
in regard to OS upgrades.

Scott

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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:10 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Next Version of JDE World requires i 7.1

There are two sides to every coin.  For companies who have no need or
budget to upgrade their hardware, Oracle is effectively killing off app
upgrades for those running on pre-Power5 hardware.  I wonder how many of
them will stop paying Oracle maintenance fees.


On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:57 AM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Some other vendor years ago announced they were going to stay more
current
at their national user meeting.  The audience stood and cheered.  They
now
had a 'business' reason to get their management to upgrade.  The
vendor
was shocked.  They expected much wailing and gnashing of teeth.


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From:   Charles Wilt <charles.wilt@xxxxxxxxx>
To:     Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date:   04/24/2012 10:29 AM
Subject:        Next Version of JDE World requires i 7.1
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It's nice to see a vendor moving you forward...instead of holding you
back...even if it is Oracle...
http://www.itjungle.com/fhs/fhs042412-story02.html

"Schiff highlighted three major enhancement areas with World A9.3. For
starters, the new application requires IBM i 7.1. Going forward, World
will not run on anything older than what is now the current release of
the IBM i OS."
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