With both World & EnterpriseOne (E1) you've got over 99% of the source
code. There are just a couple of modules that JDPeopOracle doesn't
release. I believe they have to do with their security and/or licensing
functions. There aren't any choke utilities (other than some atrociously
unoptimized reporting programs :) ); I believe E1 & World only check for
license availability during signon.

Also, License Maintenance and Software Maintenance are separate. You can
pay the relatively inexpensive LM w/out paying for the very expensive SM.
So you have the ability to migrate from machine to machine and get new keys
from Oracle as needed. This also, BTW, lets Oracle know how many active
customers are running on either 3rd party support or with no support at all.

What 3rd party SM specifically does NOT do is get you updates from Oracle.
If you find a bug that has a fix or Oracle makes an enhancement, you're out
of luck unless you code the update yourself or pay the 3rd party provider
(3PP) to do it for you.

Along those lines, if a different 3PP customer has access to Oracle support
or is running at a higher release level, the 3PP is not allowed to copy
their objects to your system. They cannot share among their customers.

We run World A73 and E1 9.something on OS/400 V5R3 and IBM i 6.1
(respective) on Power5 and Power5+ (respective). The Power 5 box is being
replaced with a Power6 system so the World environment is being upgraded to
V5R4M5. We stay current on IBM SWMA but have switched World & E1 support
to Rimini Street. So we're basically stuck at the app releases we're
already running. This isn't necessarily a bad thing; our World environment
does what we need, has 14 years of customizations, and interfaces to our
BI/Data Warehouse, clients, banks, etc. There's not much else that we'd
need it to do.

I'm more concerned about the E1 side of the house. We've had to spend time
and money to work around bugs in the platform making the support cost
savings smaller than anticipated. That's part of the risk we accepted when
those with budget authority made the 3PP decision.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:01 AM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

How effective is 3rd party maintenance? For example, let's say JDE World
ran on V5R4 and didn't pass ANZOBJCVN. Now you want to migrate to 7.1.
Let's say there are some programs that no one gets source for, like
security, licensing and a choked through utility or two to double check
licensing. Are 3rd party maintenance companies allowed to give you these
new object? Another scenario. Let's say you finally decide to move to a
power 7 with a different serial number. Can these third party maintenance
companies give you new keys? Or are you now stuck either repurchasing the
software or catching up on all maintenance to JDE plus a penalty?


Rob Berendt
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From: John Jones <chianime@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 04/24/2012 05:26 PM
Subject: Re: Next Version of JDE World requires i 7.1
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"Yes" but probably more to JDE than IBM.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:52 PM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

3rd party maintenance of JDE world or 3rd party maintenance of your IBM
power system and the i os that runs on it?


Rob Berendt
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From: "Lindstrom, Scott R." <slindstrom@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 04/24/2012 04:23 PM
Subject: RE: Next Version of JDE World requires i 7.1
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



This will definitely push some customers to the 3rd party maintenance
vendors.

Not all of us techies are in control of the direction our companies take
in regard to OS upgrades.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:10 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Next Version of JDE World requires i 7.1

There are two sides to every coin. For companies who have no need or
budget to upgrade their hardware, Oracle is effectively killing off app
upgrades for those running on pre-Power5 hardware. I wonder how many of
them will stop paying Oracle maintenance fees.


On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:57 AM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Some other vendor years ago announced they were going to stay more
current
at their national user meeting. The audience stood and cheered. They
now
had a 'business' reason to get their management to upgrade. The
vendor
was shocked. They expected much wailing and gnashing of teeth.


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From: Charles Wilt <charles.wilt@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 04/24/2012 10:29 AM
Subject: Next Version of JDE World requires i 7.1
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



It's nice to see a vendor moving you forward...instead of holding you
back...even if it is Oracle...
http://www.itjungle.com/fhs/fhs042412-story02.html

"Schiff highlighted three major enhancement areas with World A9.3. For
starters, the new application requires IBM i 7.1. Going forward, World
will not run on anything older than what is now the current release of
the IBM i OS."
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