Re: Diagnostic Aids -- LY44-0597

Jim

I thought I'd seen something, in fact, while looking up the diagnostic aids - and there are some things:

i5/OS Diagnostic Tools for System Administrators: An A to Z Reference for Problem Determination

is a draft Redbook available at

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpieces/pdfs/sg248253.pdf

It has a couple chapters on SST and DST. It's over 600 pages - there's an earlier one from 2001 for the AS/400e.

HTH
Vern

At 10:53 PM 4/7/2007, you wrote:

> these manuals are about the guts of these machines - they should be hard
> to obtain...

Vernon - agreed, but a simple manual for the SST items a system manager
might use needs to be somewhere. I put new "customer install" disk in a
system recently, and 99.9 of what I can find is all Ops Nav stuff. This
customer has a twinax console, doesn't want me plugging my pc into their
network, has no Ops Nav setup. It seems IBM has buried or removed much of
the SST docs.
I got my instructions off this list, not from any IBM doc (and that is not
good).
jim franz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vernon Hamberg" <vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 11:25 PM
Subject: RE: Diagnostic Aids -- LY44-0597


> Sharon - I did not go far enough at the publications site - Mark had
> the more current reference for RISC boxes of relatively recent
> vintage - these things do not change a lot over time.
>
> The newer set costs less - $280 comes to mind from Mark's post. But I
> don't see a problem here - these are very specialized, as someone
> else pointed out. They might be some of the last manuals not
> downloadable - and I think they should stay hard to get - do you
> really want anyone to know how to use the advanced techniques
> available in option 4 of SST? Zounds - it is already bad enough that
> one can modify any address in memory from SST - these manuals are
> about the guts of these machines - they should be hard to obtain, IMO.
>
> Their price and accessibility do not apply to anything else on this
> system.
>
> JMHO
> Vern
>
> At 08:37 AM 4/2/2007, you wrote:
>
>>And yet another reason to drop the i5 (My company's opinion).
>>Manuals should not be that high.
>>
>>Sharon
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Vernon Hamberg
>>Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:54 AM
>>To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
>>Subject: Re: Diagnostic Aids -- LY44-0597
>>
>>
>>These are still for sale - $373 at this site:
>>
>>http://www.elink.ibmlink.ibm.com/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?SSN= 07DBM0038688881992&FNC=PBL&PBL=LY21-0597-02PBCEEBO200119047&TRL=TXTSRH
>>
>>These are the only manuals with, I assume, full instructions on the
>>use of DST and SST. I don't think everything from these manuals has
>>shown up at InfoCenter. Here is the description from that site:
>
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