Re: Diagnostic Aids -- LY44-0597 -- MIDRANGE-L

i5/OS Diagnostic Tools for System Administrators: An A to Z Reference
for Problem Determination

A great book - but not what I am looking for.
This book is all Problem Determination.
Adding disk does not fall within that category.
IBM removed (i think) or buried very deeply documentation for doing this in SST, even though
the SST method is not outdated, still functions, and in certain environments
is the only choice. I understand removing obsolete docs, but do not
understand removing docs for a working/fuctioning part of the system!
Not asking you to search their system for it - I've already done the work.
But there will be a "next time" and the same problem.
jim franz

----- Original Message ----- From: "Vernon Hamberg" <vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: Diagnostic Aids -- LY44-0597

Jim

I thought I'd seen something, in fact, while looking up the
diagnostic aids - and there are some things:

i5/OS Diagnostic Tools for System Administrators: An A to Z Reference
for Problem Determination

is a draft Redbook available at

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpieces/pdfs/sg248253.pdf

It has a couple chapters on SST and DST. It's over 600 pages -
there's an earlier one from 2001 for the AS/400e.

HTH
Vern

At 10:53 PM 4/7/2007, you wrote:

> these manuals are about the guts of these machines - they should be > hard
> to obtain...

Vernon - agreed, but a simple manual for the SST items a system manager
might use needs to be somewhere. I put new "customer install" disk in a
system recently, and 99.9 of what I can find is all Ops Nav stuff. This
customer has a twinax console, doesn't want me plugging my pc into their
network, has no Ops Nav setup. It seems IBM has buried or removed much of
the SST docs.
I got my instructions off this list, not from any IBM doc (and that is not
good).
jim franz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vernon Hamberg" <vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 11:25 PM
Subject: RE: Diagnostic Aids -- LY44-0597

> Sharon - I did not go far enough at the publications site - Mark had
> the more current reference for RISC boxes of relatively recent
> vintage - these things do not change a lot over time.
>
> The newer set costs less - $280 comes to mind from Mark's post. But I
> don't see a problem here - these are very specialized, as someone
> else pointed out. They might be some of the last manuals not
> downloadable - and I think they should stay hard to get - do you
> really want anyone to know how to use the advanced techniques
> available in option 4 of SST? Zounds - it is already bad enough that
> one can modify any address in memory from SST - these manuals are
> about the guts of these machines - they should be hard to obtain, IMO.
>
> Their price and accessibility do not apply to anything else on this
> system.
>
> JMHO
> Vern
>
> At 08:37 AM 4/2/2007, you wrote:
>
>>And yet another reason to drop the i5 (My company's opinion).
>>Manuals should not be that high.
>>
>>Sharon
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Vernon Hamberg
>>Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:54 AM
>>To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
>>Subject: Re: Diagnostic Aids -- LY44-0597
>>
>>
>>These are still for sale - $373 at this site:
>>
>>http://www.elink.ibmlink.ibm.com/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?SSN=
07DBM0038688881992&FNC=PBL&PBL=LY21-0597-02PBCEEBO200119047&TRL=TXTSRH
>>
>>These are the only manuals with, I assume, full instructions on the
>>use of DST and SST. I don't think everything from these manuals has
>>shown up at InfoCenter. Here is the description from that site:
>
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