RE: i5 vs. p5

As far as I'm concerned, the i5 and p5 are the same, they are just
limited by the manufacturer as to what OS they can run and in what
quantity.  It's also limited by the amount of cross-marketing IBM does
in regard to the multi-OS-ability of the machines.  The i-side is
marketed as integrated, the p-side is marketed as speed and cheap.  It's
difficult to even find references to running i5/OS on p at the IBM
website for the server.  At least more difficult than the i's site.

I really don't wanna get in to the old-timer/new-timer urination contest
- we do that every few months here it seems.  The people who are excited
about the POWER5+ platforms are out touting it, selling it, and running
their businesses on it.  The people who aren't - well, that's their
loss, I guess.  Enjoy IPLing your whole box if you have
primary/secondaries.  I'll IPL an LPAR and leave everything else up. ;)

And in regard to the "that'll be on the iSeries in 6 months" - the 595
in the article is the same other than clock speed between i5 and p5.
Some of the i and p models offered today run at 1.9 GHz, so they're
mechanically the same.  IIRC, the newest pSeries from your article is at
2.1/2.3 GHz.  And I imagine it will be offered to i soon, because a 570
sitting 20 feet from me is at 2.2.  And it runs Linux and AIX.

To summarize:  I AGREE!  I think everyone should be running i - have
some Kool-Aid, it's delicious.  =)

--
Justin C. Haase - iSeries System Engineer
IBM Certified Systems Expert - System i
Kingland Systems Corporation

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces+justin.haase=kingland.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces+justin.haase=kingland.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Ingvaldson, Scott
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:55 PM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: i5 vs. p5

No, earlier this week I posted the System p5 TPC benchmark announcement
( http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060725/0147104.html ) and the first comment
was "but that's not an iSeries" and it went downhill from there.

What I would like to accomplish is to change attitudes from "can't do"
to "can do."  When I read the announcement that a p5 had broken TCP
benchmarks my first thought was "Great, that'll be on an i5 in less than
6 months!"  But what I heard here was: (yawn)  

How can we support our system with people who don't drink the kool-aid
when we don't even truly support it ourselves?  At the briefing I was at
yesterday the biggest news was the the new version of WebSphere Whatever
for iSeries had GA'd on the same day as the version for all of the other
platforms.  I get discouraged about the state of the iSeries community
when it's all doom and gloom, and IBM doesn't care about us, etc.

Regards,
 
Scott Ingvaldson
iSeries System Administrator
GuideOne Insurance Group

PS  That 170 I was talking about is still under support and I've never
had any problems with IBM about that.


-----Original Message-----
date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:52:23 -0500
from: "Haase, Justin C." <justin.haase@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: i5 vs. p5

And IBM doesn't make a 170 anymore nor would IBM allow you to install
that much memory and be supported when you had a problem.

What exactly are you trying to accomplish?  pFrankenseries?


--
Justin C. Haase - iSeries System Engineer IBM Certified Systems Expert -
System i Kingland Systems Corporation