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Pete,I was on that council. It was a good idea that's been DEAD so long....but then, it never really had serious IBM support. We had some REALLY cool ideas for the iseriesnation.org/com pages....dead. I think Cancilla and Ignite are working with that domain now. And, I wish them luck. In short, IBM wanted the ISN to become something that actually raised their own money to pay for all the iSeries promotional stuff that they would be doing. Basically, IBM wanted to parasite off of all the ISN council, etc's, work and efforts...frankly, I don't have the market capital of IBM...perhaps if I did I'd be singing a different tune.
It basically died after Malcolm abandoned it for his UK stint and the gal that was attempting to be a marketing person totally (in my opinion) screwed up what was left of it. Anyway, she's also gone to greener pastures. Frankly, we weren't able to do jack and got little support from IBM.
Which brings up other questions: I keep reading that MH has been "unleashed". Really? Will someone please tell the rest of us where the hell MH is? If he's really been "unleashed" he's still being kept in a very small opaque and soundproof cage. Frankly, other than those short lived TV spots which were quickly cloned for other IBM product lines, I've not seen anything of merit... And does anyone know many IT Dir's that actually do palmcasts? Ditto CEO's???
BUT WAIT! COMMON's just a few weeks away, so, yes folks, once again, it's time for IBM to do some token public advertising so that at least IBM remembers what the hell an AS400/iSeries/i5 actually iS! And, the GM dujour can get up at Soundoff and say "Look at all the great marketing we did"...
Maybe we can get somone to invent a board game called: "Where the hell is Malcolm Haines?" We could use mini-terminals and printers as pieces and instead of chance cards we'd pull up CPF messages....I'm sure someone should be able to hack the HMC and port it there...you could play it in between all those LPAR configs that you bought the HMC for.... :)
Perhaps Trever can have some pins made to add to his really cool ones in Orlando that say: "iWhat?" or "Malcolm Who?" or my favorite "_This!"
So, Pete, why do we continue to care anymore? Perhaps it's because we all know the 2 alternatives - Windows and eunochs.
Don in DC ------------------------------------------------------------------ At 10:12 AM 1/18/2006 -0500, you wrote:
Being serious. Is ISN really still around? Come on, the only thing I remember from that is a cool blue button. Does the council still meet ? If so, what have they done lately? Pete ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: Internships was: iSeries ads taken over by xSeries From: "Don" <dr2@xxxxxxxx> Date: Tue, January 17, 2006 4:10 pm To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Answer you own question: ISN has been around for HOW long now? And we're > still discussing what?? > > > > > > > At 02:30 PM 1/17/2006 -0500, you wrote: >>It really is up to IBM then. iSeries Nation can't change much...right? >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>Sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:48:00 -0700 >>Subject: RE: Internships was: iSeries ads taken over by xSeries >> >> >>Regardless of the reasons, the iSeries market is declining. I don't know >>if that will change or not. But there isn't a pressing need for people >>to get into the iSeries marketplace. I was adjunct faculty at a >>community college for a long time. We trained all the iSeries people >>that the area needed. Enrollment in iSeries classes dropped >>significantly. The college made the descision to change to teaching MS >>classes. The classes have been full for years now. >> >> > -------- Original Message -------- >> > Subject: Internships was: iSeries ads taken over by xSeries >> > From: rob@xxxxxxxxx >> > Date: Tue, January 17, 2006 1:43 pm >> > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > >> > We used to do internships. We just haven't had any need for new meat >> > lately. I suspect it's like that at a lot of local businesses. And >> Fort >> > Wayne just lost Waterfield Mortgage. That was a large iSeries and >> pSeries >> > shop. Saw one of them post on the midrange-jobs this week. When >> you've >> > got a lot of experienced talent out pounding the pavement, why train >> new? >> > >> > Rob Berendt >> > -- >> > Group Dekko Services, LLC >> > Dept 01.073 >> > PO Box 2000 >> > Dock 108 >> > 6928N 400E >> > Kendallville, IN 46755 >> > http://www.dekko.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > fbocch2595@xxxxxxx >> > Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> > 01/17/2006 01:24 PM >> > Please respond to >> > Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > >> > >> > To >> > midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> > cc >> > >> > Fax to >> > >> > Subject >> > Re: iSeries ads taken over by xSeries >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Why not get local businesses involved and offer internships at iSeries >> > shops...or something like that? Why wouldn't companies start in-house >> > training for their iSeries folks, start at operations and work into >> > programming? What do they have to lose? >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Don <dr2@xxxxxxxx> >> > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > Sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:08:35 -0500 >> > Subject: Re: iSeries ads taken over by xSeries >> > >> > >> > >> > Bingo Trevor! >> > >> > Well, education seems to be the key here, Trevor. >> > >> > Frankly, what education IS current IT getting?? Once again, let's >> rehash >> > this again as IBM still doesn't get it. Students in ANY IT ciriculum >> > today >> > are being forced Window and Unix dialects, databases, IDE's, >> languages, >> > methods.... That's what they learn in school. That's the ONLY >> > talent/knowledge base they bring to the market place. That's what >> they >> > want to buy/work with/hire/promote/etc.... >> > >> > Gee, is there any question why we're seeing what we are?? >> > >> > >> > >> > At 11:52 AM 1/17/2006 -0600, you wrote: >> > >It is sad, really... A little education goes a long way. Lack of >> > education >> > >creates ignorance and keeps us in the last century.. >> > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: "Don" >> > >Subject: Re: iSeries ads taken over by xSeries >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Actually, I have no idea how it was implemented, and you're right, >> but >> > the >> > > > IT Dir's position was that all the drop downs, etc., were killing >> the >> > > > front >> > > > desk folks's performance... Their words, not mine. >> > > > >> > > > Oh well...time for more important things...like lunch. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > At 11:26 AM 1/17/2006 -0600, you wrote: >> > > >>Poor implementation of a GUI does not make 5250 better! >> > > >> >> > > >>:-) >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- >> > > >>From: "Don" >> > > >>Subject: Re: iSeries ads taken over by xSeries >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Jerry, >> > > >> > >> > > >> > What WAS interesting was talking to a IT Dir at a casino/hotel >> that >> > had >> > > >> > wanted to replace all the front desk check in 5250 devices with >> > > >> > GUI/Windows... The front desk people bitched so loudly that >> > > >> > GUI/Windows >> > > >> > was slowing them down that the GUI was replaced accross the >> board >> > with >> > > >> > 5250 >> > > >> > devices again... :) >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Don in DC >> > > >> > >-- >> > >This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) >> mailing >> > list >> > >To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> > >To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, >> > >visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l >> > >or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> > >Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives >> > >at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing >> > list >> > To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, >> > visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l >> > or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> > Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives >> > at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. >> > -- >> > This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing >> > list >> > To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, >> > visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l >> > or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> > Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives >> > at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing >> list >> > To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, >> > visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l >> > or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> > Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives >> > at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. >> >>-- >>This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing >> list >>To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, >>visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l >>or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives >>at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. >>-- >>This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing >> list >>To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, >>visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l >>or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives >>at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. >> > > > -- > This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing > list > To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, > visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l > or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives > at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. > > -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l.
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