Re: Accounting Vendors

Lawson Software, even though not green-screen anymore, is almost forcing the
web-only approach. In fact they are "refactoring" all existing code to java.
While a neat idea, we will have to wait and see the implementation.

On 12/2/05, Ron-Zimmerman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <Ron-Zimmerman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> This example is exactly why you should be looking for a solution that
> provides both GUI/browser and green screen.  Even though many keep saying
> that green screen is old/legacy/whatever, there are still very good
> reasons for using green screen in certain circumstances (data entry being
> one of them).  I have yet to see a browser based data entry screen that is
> more efficient than the equivalent green screen.  I'm not saying it can't
> be done, I'm just saying that nobody has yet demonstrated one to me that
> really works as well as green screen.
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> Thank you,
> Ronald L. Zimmerman
> I.T. Applications Manager
> Swiss Valley Farms, Co.      http://www.swissvalley.com
> "The Good for You Company"
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> I just got done with a year-long project to convert a client to CGC, and
> have these comments:
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> CGC had a perfectly good GUI version that was built with the newlook
> product from look software, then IBM "convinced" them that they should
> reintroduce the system built with the IBM tools. This is from a CGC
> employee.
> Because of the limitations of the Webfacing tool, CGC's current version
> does not have the capability for the user to use a field exit key. The
> user must reach for the tab key while doing heavy data entry like
> timesheets. Picture that scene on Monday mornings when the time keepers
> are entering last week's labor and equipment hours. We've already
> discussed writing green screen code for that data entry function.
> With the next version (now in beta), CGC's customers will no longer have
> green screens available.
> The browser server software for some reason will not run on a Linux box.
> (I'm just the messenger).
> It really doesn't matter which server is available on the iSeries. Most of
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> the CGC clients are smaller shops, and will have to increase their CPW
> capacity (replace their current machines) in order to run future versions.
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> CGC is cutting back their canned reports in favor of making the clients
> buy the Business Objects software. Again, that means more CPW capacity,
> since BO runs over an ODBC connection.
> CGC sells hardware.
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> On 12/2/05, pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx <pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > One problem with CGC, however, is that they push their browser based
> > version, it is frankly not something that should be used for rapid data
> > entry, and the next version will not be able to be run in a green screen
> > environment.
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> CGC has a web-faced solution, and has in fact had a series of
> "road-shows" with IBM to push the WebFacing product and process.
> WebFacing was CGC's way to make their product available to a much
> wider audience. If I remember correctly they even offer hosting.  The
> road show was in fact quite informative.  One factoid I remember was
> the idea that browser and green screen could co-exist and be
> essentially interchangeable.
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> I don't remember if CGC's product plan included moving away from the
> green screen.  If they are sticking with the web-facing, then the
> green screen should stay available, albeit with reduced functionality.
> However, I think we can reasonably conclude that IBM's plans include
> moving away from the green screen, so having an option seems
> attractive.
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> I wouldn't consider the availability of both a negative, but rather a
> huge positive.
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> > Oh, and if you don't have a big honking machine, you need to
> > put a Wintel server in between the iSeries and the user to run the
> browser
> > software.
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> WebFacing requires WAS or Tomcat as the application server.  Either
> can be run on the iSeries, or Tomcat can be on another box.  I don't
> know if WAS Express is sufficient, but Tomcat on the iSeries is
> included with the Apache web server and from my understanding is not
> hard to get working and isn't nearly as greedy for resources as WAS.
> I am pretty sure that Tomcat on Linux will fill the fill as well.
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