Re: electronic voting tomorrow -- MIDRANGE-L

> Instead of just stuffing the ballots in a box they would be inserted into
> the reader.
Thats why the infrared port some electronic devices have should be disabled
(not just
taped over...)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "York, Albert" <albert.york@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: electronic voting tomorrow


> I think a reasonable solution would be portable ballot readers on site.
> Instead of just stuffing the ballots in a box they would be inserted into
> the reader. It would validate that the ballot was punched correctly and
> could periodically dial up a central server to send interim results.
>
> Albert York
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> Do paper ballots have instant offsite backup in case of fire or flood?
> Did paper ballots stop the absentee ballot from the dead guy that made the
> news?
> With electronic journalling of all records, will it be harder for a local
> clerk to abscond with some paper ballots?
>
> I am sure that it will go to the Supreme Court.  Being gracious and
> accepting defeat has gone the way of the dodo bird.  It's like trying to
> get a law passed.  Don't want to bother?  Have it done by judicial fiat
> instead.
>
> Rob Berendt
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> I trust paper ballots far, FAR more than electronic ballots.  Not even
> close.  No contest.
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> As I see it, the big difference between paper and electronic is that with
> paper, you always have the physical evidence.  You can see why there are
> unexpected discrepancies and the causes (hanging chads, etc.)  I can look
> at
> my ballot and match it up to the legend that I punched it from.  (And I
> always do this.)
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> With electronic voting, no one, with the *possible* exception of the
> person(s) who wrote the programs, knows what happens exactly when a screen
> button is pushed.  A vote bit is sent through a gamut of instructions for
> which there are zero auditing capabilities.  It lands in a pool,
> hopefully,
> and in the right pool, hopefully.  If someone screams "cheat!", how will
> anyone ever verify?  To my knowledge, the auditing capabilities are
> totally
> insufficient.
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> If you're cynical about what happens to a paper ballot after you return it
> to be counted, well then, you're not doubting the technology so much as
> you
> are the people responsible for ensuring every vote counts.  This type of
> cynicism precedes our lifetime.
>
> Overall, if "the people" lose the trust of the electoral process, it is an
> open invitation to anarchy.
>
> Who's giving odds that this election won't go before the Supreme Court
> again?
>
> db
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> > Nothing is trusted anyway.  Not paper ballots.  Not mechanical paper
> > ballots (hanging chads).  Nothing.  There will always be an argument
> > saying why it's bad.  Thus, should all attempts to improve be
> permanently
> > shelved?  After all, if it's all going to be tied up in the
> > courts anyway,
> > why spend the money on trying to improve the equipment when it could be
> > better spent on something less controversial?
> >
> > Rob Berendt
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