Re: system save

Yes, QCTL is running.  However if you do a WRKACTJOB you will see that off 
to the far right of the subsystem name the status of the subsystem itself 
is END.  When it is in this status you CANNOT submit jobs to any job queue 
associated with this subsystem and expect them to actually run.  Trust me, 
 I've had people bring the system into restricted state and then just 
start the other subsystems, vary on lines, etc when they were done.  I've 
made it part of our standard downtime procedures to check this out. 
Granted, you can do a STRSBS QCTL to bring it out of END.  But that will 
start a bunch of other stuff.  Frankly we never do a STRSBS of QCTL.  We 
get it that far, we're going to do an IPL.  When you can only get it to 
that state every 8 weeks you don't miss an opportunity to do an ipl and 
apply those ptf's, etc.

Rob Berendt
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I think QCTL is still running when you do an ENDSBS *ALL. That's known as
bringing the system into a restricted state.


On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:20:43 -0500, "Segars, Steven"
<Steven_Segars@xxxxxxx> said:
> <<Why couldn't it be run in the controlling subsystem after you do a
> ENDSBS
> *ALL? >>
> 
> Read what you just said..... When you issue the ENDSBS *ALL *IMMED, what
> does it do...... It ends ALL subsystems on the system. When a subsystem
> is
> ended, how can jobs run under it? Thus any thing being submitted to a
> jobq
> associated with a subsystem that is in a END status, will not run. QCTL
> and
> a few Q subsystems are still visible after you get your system to
> restricted
> condition, but they are still ended. You can submit jobs all day long to
> the
> jobq, but they will not run until you restart that subsystem.
> 
> The time factor will be your best bet as someone else has already 
pointed
> out. If you submit a job to QCTL with a DLY clause in it, the system 
will
> not fully end to restricted condition until that job that was in the DLY
> status has ended, thus a savsys cannot be completed because not all of
> the
> subsystems have ended. Its been awhile, but I think thats how this part
> works.
> 
> hth
> 
> Steve
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