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Chris,

Hey....I am on your side!  Certainly agree that charging you for what you
are already entitled to, is some form of arm-twisting, if not robbery!

But---its like being in a poker game...you aren't the dealer holding the
cards....and nothing happens until the cards are dealt and the ante is made.
I wish you all the best...but as I said earlier...your purse is probably
gonna be a bit lighter after the dust clears.  Getting the "legalcrats"
involved will probably cost you a bit as well if you choose to go that
route...

When we do an upgrade...we cover these items with our suppliers prior; not
after---then budget accordingly.  Easy to say....

I wish for you/Angela the most economical solution...so your business is not
impacted adversely!

Cheers!

Rick--


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Devous" <cdevous@antigua.com>
To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Tier pricing (was chgsysval QMODEL)


> Rick,
>
> Face the music and learn to dance?  I've been playing this game a long
time, and I
> know enough to budget for this.  Understand, however, that the nature of
our license
> agreement does not base pricing on processor tier, but rather on number of
> concurrent users.  I don't know what Angela's situation is, but her
postings imply that
> she has per user licensing.
>
> Yes, it will cost me money to upgrade, for which I will receive benefit.
That's what the
> budget process is for.
>
> I've seen a lot of unscrupulous business practices from vendors.  I think
ten grand to
> issue a key to someone who already has the right to use the software is
> unscrupulous, whether you agree or not.  I would not object to a nominal
> administrative fee, it does take a minimum of time and resources to issue
a key, but
> $10,000 is way overboard for something like this.
>
> It may interest you to know that the last time I upgraded hardware, there
was *NO*
> charge to issue me a key.  I wasn't on OGS then, and I'm not now.  What
has
> changed?  Only the ownership.
>
> Did they force me to a different processor?  Why would you think that is
relevant?
> The issue is that I have a license that permits me to use the software
*regardless* of
> what processor I run it on.  A software license is a legally binding and
enforcable
> contract, for both the user and the vendor.  I can go up to a certain
number of
> concurrent users.  If I want more people, I pay more dollars and would
expect to.
>
> I don't particularly want something for nothing, I just think that the fee
is exhorbitant.
>
> --Chris
>
> On 30 Dec 2002 at 13:22, Rick Klopfer wrote:
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > Call it what you want....but if I was betting man...I would say
> > you/Angela is gonna be paying the developer some additional $$!
> >
> > Face the music and learn to dance!  A faster processor usually means
> > some additional outlay of cash....in whatever terminology you want to
> > call it. You may get a discount...but your purse will be opened and
> > coins will flow out...
> >
> > Piracy??  I think the developer would call it simply a reasonable
> > business practice. Ha!
> >
> > After all, they didn't force you to a different processor, eh??
> >
> > Rick--
> >
> >
>
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