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This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I just checked out the hiper group for 510, SF99097 at http://www-912.ibm.com/s_dir/sline003.NSF/554c38c4848b77f2862567bd0046e003/5fd5a087b04114b186256a4d0073e478?OpenDocument . This contains a ptf called MF28288. This ptf has a coreq called MF28308. MF28308 is not on this group, as far as I could see. I just did a DSPPTF 5722999 MF28308 and it was not found on our system. I checked here: http://www-912.ibm.com/s_dir/sline003.NSF/GroupPTFs?OpenView&view=GroupPTFs While MF28308 is listed, it is not yet out on a cum. So, I guess it doesn't matter what order you put them on. Neither way should work? Or was I looking at the group ptf documentation wrong? Rob Berendt -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin rob@dekko.com Sent by: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com 05/28/2002 01:08 PM Please respond to midrange-l To: midrange-l@midrange.com cc: Fax to: Subject: Re: Version upgrade brain f**t This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Thomas, Please document a missing ptf from a group. I was under the impression that any ptf on a group ptf included all prereq's and coreq's. And IBM does recommend putting on any individual ptf and group ptf's, without an ipl, then put on the cum and let it ipl. I am interested in trying this, maybe even starting on our scheduled downtime this weekend. Back in the CISC days you could try to put on too many ptf's at once. Then you would fill something called a 'link loader'. Reloading os was your only option. Had a guy in a remote plant that refused to follow directions and did just this. Rob Berendt -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin thomas@inorbit.com Sent by: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com 05/27/2002 09:08 PM Please respond to midrange-l To: midrange-l@midrange.com cc: Fax to: Subject: Re: Version upgrade brain f**t On Sat, 25 May 2002, bdietz@3x.com wrote > The instruction for the V5R1 CUMe has a section about loading other PTF's > (ie. groups) BEFORE loading the CUMe CD. > > I have found this to work very well. > > Load OS and Lic pgms > Load HIPER (no ipl) > Load DB (no ipl) > Load anyother group you recieved (no ipl) > Load CUMe (IPL) Very odd about instructions from IBM to load groups before cumes. Essentially the exact opposite of how I've done it. I don't think I've gotten group-before-cume to even work before. I'm going to look into that. For me, HIPERs first. Then cumes because (1) they're cumulative and (2) they're on a longer cycle than the others. This means that PTFs in a group that have pre-reqs are more likely to find them in the cume if it's been loaded already. With groups on a shorter cycle, it's almost guaranteed that the groups will have a later date and that there'll be no PTFs in any group that the cume PTFs will rely upon. (How could they? They didn't exist until later.) I've never had good luck loading groups before cumes because too many pre-reqs haven't been loaded yet. I get far too many errors saying that various ones couldn't load due to missing pre-reqs. HIPERs don't seem to have near as many requisites and so seldom need to wait if ever. Cume packages are cumulative but do not contain all PTFs. I'm not clear on how IBM decides what makes it into the cumes, but I've seen that PTFs such as for various parts of SQL often are only available in the DB group package. Although the SQL engine is present on all iSeries and AS/400s, there are chargeable components of SQL. Because these components are not on all systems, I imagine this affects IBMs decision making. It'd sure be nice to know the rules. Tom Liotta -- Tom Liotta The PowerTech Group, Inc. 19426 68th Avenue South Kent, WA 98032 Phone 253-872-7788 Fax 253-872-7904 http://www.400Security.com ___________________________________________________ The ALL NEW CS2000 from CompuServe Better! Faster! More Powerful! 250 FREE hours! 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