RE: PTF for viewing open files (WRKJOB/DSPJOB) for V5R1 -- MIDRANGE-L

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-I think what they both have to do with is FORCING people to abandon
green-screen...
>Yes, I think that was his point.  But that is not what he said.

-It goes under the guise of "too expensive" to provide to multiple
interfaces
to the system, so they build this GUI crap, and choose not to put the
functionality into CL commands.
Same thing with SQL/DDS...  They imply its too expensive to put the new SQL
features into DDS.  Well that's a line...  And I think some 3rd party will
prove that, down the road...  Anybody who's seen how Query/400, OPNQRYF and
SQL were originally built around the same core code, isn't likely to buy
the
notion that "it just can't be done".
>I don't think that DDS and the Query/400, OPNQRYF, SQL triumvirate are
built around the same code.

-CL is one of the CORE STRENGTHS of the 38/400/i, Ooops Nav (as some refer
to
it) is one of the core weaknesses...  Yet where are the development dollars
going...?!?
>Granted green screen commands can be faster, but I think you are being
overly negative on Op's Nav.  There are some great features in there.

Rob Berendt

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin



                    "jt" <jt@ee.net>
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                    midrange-l-admin@mi       cc:
                    drange.com                Fax to:
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open files (WRKJOB/DSPJOB) for V5R1

                    11/30/2001 08:51 AM
                    Please respond to
                    midrange-l






I think what they both have to do with is FORCING people to abandon
green-screen...

It goes under the guise of "too expensive" to provide to multiple
interfaces
to the system, so they build this GUI crap, and choose not to put the
functionality into CL commands.

Same thing with SQL/DDS...  They imply its too expensive to put the new SQL
features into DDS.  Well that's a line...  And I think some 3rd party will
prove that, down the road...  Anybody who's seen how Query/400, OPNQRYF and
SQL were originally built around the same core code, isn't likely to buy
the
notion that "it just can't be done".

CL is one of the CORE STRENGTHS of the 38/400/i, Ooops Nav (as some refer
to
it) is one of the core weaknesses...  Yet where are the development dollars
going...?!?

JMHO.

jt


| -----Original Message-----
| From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
| [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of rob@dekko.com
| Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:34 AM
| To: midrange-l@midrange.com
| Subject: RE: PTF for viewing open files (WRKJOB/DSPJOB) for V5R1
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|
|
| My sentiments exactly.  Op's Nav has nothing to do with your console
being
| twinax/Op's Console.  Although we've never applied the suggested PTF.
Not
| doing so has had our developers notice that a file they THOUGHT they were
| doing an override to was in the wrong activation group.
|
| Rob Berendt
|
| ==================
| "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
| safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
| Benjamin Franklin
|
|
|
|                     "Andy
|                     Nolen-Parkhouse"          To:
| <midrange-l@midrange.com>
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|                     e.net>                    Fax to:
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| PTF for viewing open files (WRKJOB/DSPJOB) for V5R1
|                     midrange-l-admin@mi
|                     drange.com
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|
|                     11/30/2001 06:44 AM
|                     Please respond to
|                     midrange-l
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| Neil,
|
| I'm not sure I see the link between using Operations Navigator to work
| with jobs and your statement that you don't want a PC console.  I agree
| with the wariness to control a production system with a PC, but I have
| used Operations Navigator successfully on twinax-console systems.  Am I
| making a mistake here or has something changed?  I don't see where 'this
| feature is required there.'
|
| Regards,
| Andy Nolen-Parkhouse
|
| > Well, that's nice to know, but the consensus from many AS400/iSeries
| > professionals on Midrange-L (and elsewhere) is that there's no way in
| > h**l they are going to use a PC as a system console, and this feature
| is
| > required there.
|
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