RE: PTF for viewing open files (WRKJOB/DSPJOB) for V5R1 -- MIDRANGE-L

I think what they both have to do with is FORCING people to abandon
green-screen...

It goes under the guise of "too expensive" to provide to multiple interfaces
to the system, so they build this GUI crap, and choose not to put the
functionality into CL commands.

Same thing with SQL/DDS...  They imply its too expensive to put the new SQL
features into DDS.  Well that's a line...  And I think some 3rd party will
prove that, down the road...  Anybody who's seen how Query/400, OPNQRYF and
SQL were originally built around the same core code, isn't likely to buy the
notion that "it just can't be done".

CL is one of the CORE STRENGTHS of the 38/400/i, Ooops Nav (as some refer to
it) is one of the core weaknesses...  Yet where are the development dollars
going...?!?

JMHO.

jt


| -----Original Message-----
| From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
| [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of rob@dekko.com
| Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:34 AM
| To: midrange-l@midrange.com
| Subject: RE: PTF for viewing open files (WRKJOB/DSPJOB) for V5R1
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| My sentiments exactly.  Op's Nav has nothing to do with your console being
| twinax/Op's Console.  Although we've never applied the suggested PTF.  Not
| doing so has had our developers notice that a file they THOUGHT they were
| doing an override to was in the wrong activation group.
|
| Rob Berendt
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|                     "Andy
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| PTF for viewing open files (WRKJOB/DSPJOB) for V5R1
|                     midrange-l-admin@mi
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|                     11/30/2001 06:44 AM
|                     Please respond to
|                     midrange-l
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| Neil,
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| I'm not sure I see the link between using Operations Navigator to work
| with jobs and your statement that you don't want a PC console.  I agree
| with the wariness to control a production system with a PC, but I have
| used Operations Navigator successfully on twinax-console systems.  Am I
| making a mistake here or has something changed?  I don't see where 'this
| feature is required there.'
|
| Regards,
| Andy Nolen-Parkhouse
|
| > Well, that's nice to know, but the consensus from many AS400/iSeries
| > professionals on Midrange-L (and elsewhere) is that there's no way in
| > h**l they are going to use a PC as a system console, and this feature
| is
| > required there.
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