RE: Upgrading V4R5 --> V5R1 -- MIDRANGE-L

Neil,

Thanks.. I didn't know that.  So I guess it IS primarily a case of being
technically infeasible.

Or is it...?

Does CPF (er.. OS/400) necessarily have to succumb to the same code bloat
that Winblows does...?!?  I recall comments, a while back from IBM, about
how many more lines of code are in CPF, than are in Windoze.  I wasn't
impressed at the time, and am less impressed now.

I always thought that being able to run the OS on old hardware was a central
feature of the value-add of the iSeries.  Doesn't do much to promote
hardware sales, granted, but sure makes it worth the higher price, IMV
anyway.  I paid $24K for a 170 (CPW 115).  I coulda bought the new car we
got this year, a couple years ago.  But I bought the computer instead.  IOW,
that's an awful to me.  Now it appears I'm not going to be able to get new
RPG opcodes, because the OS won't run...  And in the near future, won't even
be supported...?!?


You may be right, that this isn't a marketing ploy, BTW Neil.

But whatever is causing this situation, I think it's going to drive down the
value-add that I've been accustomed to.  I think marketing the 400 is going
to get tougher, with the value proposition getting hit with dis-inflation
like this.

jt

> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
> [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Neil Palmer
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 10:27 PM
> To: midrange-l@midrange.com
> Subject: RE: Upgrading V4R5 --> V5R1
>
>
> Marketing ploy ?  I don't think so in this case.
> Take the model 400 for example that won't run V5R2.  It can probably
> barely run V5R1 (I would suggest staying at V4R5 unless you REALLY want to
> use some new V5R1 feature).  The minimum memory on any presently sold
> iSeries model is 256MB and the lowest CPW of current models is:
> CPW 465 (SStar processor model 270)
> CPW 150 (Pulsar processor model 270 from 2000)
> CPW  50 (model 250 - but that's just a toy for a programmers basement or
> software demos anyway  ;-)  )
>
> The maximum memory on a model 400 (first generation RISC processor) is
> 224MB (160MB on the 2130) and the CPW goes from 13.8 to a whopping great
> 35.
>
> I agree completely that the decision not to enhance DDS in V5R1 sucks big
> time !
>
> ...Neil
>
>
>
>
>
> "jt" <jt@ee.net>
> Sent by: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
> 2001/11/22 22:01
> Please respond to midrange-l
>
>
>         To:     <midrange-l@midrange.com>
>         cc:
>         Subject:        RE: Upgrading V4R5 --> V5R1
>
>
> Don,
>
> I don't like this trend, either...  Nor do I understand the necessity...
> Are the processors THAT different...?
>
> Best thing about the 38 was that (IIRC) you could run CPF 8.0 on a
> B-model.
> Processors may have been more-or-less identical back then, though. Haven't
> read _Inside the AS/400_ by Dr. Soltis.  Maybe the advance in technology
> makes it less feasible to support old hardware...  I dunno...
>
> I'm skeptical, though, because of IBM's choice not to enhance DDS.  I
> don't
> believe it would be that costly to implement new keywords to provide
> access
> to the new technologies found in V5 SQL.  ICBW...  But because I don't
> think
> it'd be costly for them to enhance DDS, and they just choose not to in
> order
> to "force" the market into a desired direction..  Well, I can't help but
> wonder if this is the same principle being applied, and that's what keeps
> old hardware from running newer releases.
>
> Can only guess at these things.. because those cost numbers will never see
> the light of day...
>
>
> I may be overly optimistic, but I'm hoping this dropping of old hardware
> is
> more of a marketing-"ploy"..  (In addition to being a method of driving
> revenues.)
>
>
> jt
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
> > [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Don
> > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:22 PM
> > To: midrange-l@midrange.com
> > Subject: Re: Upgrading V4R5 --> V5R1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm curious which model they're gonna drop with the 5.2 announcement...
> >
> > I just don't like this trend...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Glenn Ericson wrote:
> >
> > > --
> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > This is not  the official  announcement  but an official IBM URL that
> > > states this.
> > >
> > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/support/planning/futu
> > rehdwr.html
> > >
> > > At 09:58 PM 11/21/2001 -0500, Oludare wrote:
> > > >Could you direct me to the IBM announcement that refers to model 510.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Glenn Ericson" <Glenn-Ericson@att.net>
> > > >To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
> > > >Cc: "Oludare" <oludare@ix.netcom.com>
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 7:19 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: Upgrading V4R5 --> V5R1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > > > At 06:51 PM 11/21/2001 -0500, "Oludare" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Hi guys,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I'm upgrading my OS, should I be concern about hardware or
> software
> > > > > >compatibility.  I currently have a 9406-510 2144.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks
> > > > > >_______________________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > > AS/400 Models 436, 40S, 500, 510, 530, 50S, 53S are not planned
> > > > >   to be supported by OS/400 releases after V5R1.
> > > > >
> > > > > Glenn
> > > > > ________________________
> > > > > Glenn Ericson,
> > > > > Phoenix Consulting LLC ,  New York , NY USA
> > > > > Ph.(718)898 9805  Fx .(718)446 1150
> > > > > mailto:Glenn-Ericson@att.net
>
>
>
>
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