Re: Upgrading V4R5 --> V5R1 -- MIDRANGE-L

Jim,

Beg to differ.

We just had MS do a XP .net server presentation for our users group.

He stated that the pentium 4 is engineered for a 30 GIGAHERTZ
processor...and he gave us no reasons to believe that neither XP or .net
server would not be able to run on them....and that these bad boys would
be out in the fairly decent future....:)

Now, I further predict, that once this does and if MS/Oracle/etc keep USER
based pricing vs this bullshit processor tiered mess we have to endure,
that you'll see alot more interest in faster conversion FROM AS/400....



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On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Jim Franz wrote:

> remember a while ago, Toronto gave us a "budget" and let us select new
> features for RPG? Could not go over your budget.
> Could not afford everything you wanted.
> How much in new functionality will not be available, in order to add
> backward compatibility to 4xx & 5xx hardware?
> If your company makes the financial decision to stay with old hardware, then
> to me you've also made the decision to stay with old OS software. (and you
> won't see WinXP running on Pentium 100's, and the same in the unix world).
> imho
> jim franz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Neil Palmer" <NeilP@DPSlink.com>
> To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 10:27 PM
> Subject: RE: Upgrading V4R5 --> V5R1
>
>
> > Marketing ploy ?  I don't think so in this case.
> > Take the model 400 for example that won't run V5R2.  It can probably
> > barely run V5R1 (I would suggest staying at V4R5 unless you REALLY want to
> > use some new V5R1 feature).  The minimum memory on any presently sold
> > iSeries model is 256MB and the lowest CPW of current models is:
> > CPW 465 (SStar processor model 270)
> > CPW 150 (Pulsar processor model 270 from 2000)
> > CPW  50 (model 250 - but that's just a toy for a programmers basement or
> > software demos anyway  ;-)  )
> >
> > The maximum memory on a model 400 (first generation RISC processor) is
> > 224MB (160MB on the 2130) and the CPW goes from 13.8 to a whopping great
> > 35.
> >
> > I agree completely that the decision not to enhance DDS in V5R1 sucks big
> > time !
> >
> > ...Neil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "jt" <jt@ee.net>
> > Sent by: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
> > 2001/11/22 22:01
> > Please respond to midrange-l
> >
> >
> >         To:     <midrange-l@midrange.com>
> >         cc:
> >         Subject:        RE: Upgrading V4R5 --> V5R1
> >
> >
> > Don,
> >
> > I don't like this trend, either...  Nor do I understand the necessity...
> > Are the processors THAT different...?
> >
> > Best thing about the 38 was that (IIRC) you could run CPF 8.0 on a
> > B-model.
> > Processors may have been more-or-less identical back then, though. Haven't
> > read _Inside the AS/400_ by Dr. Soltis.  Maybe the advance in technology
> > makes it less feasible to support old hardware...  I dunno...
> >
> > I'm skeptical, though, because of IBM's choice not to enhance DDS.  I
> > don't
> > believe it would be that costly to implement new keywords to provide
> > access
> > to the new technologies found in V5 SQL.  ICBW...  But because I don't
> > think
> > it'd be costly for them to enhance DDS, and they just choose not to in
> > order
> > to "force" the market into a desired direction..  Well, I can't help but
> > wonder if this is the same principle being applied, and that's what keeps
> > old hardware from running newer releases.
> >
> > Can only guess at these things.. because those cost numbers will never see
> > the light of day...
> >
> >
> > I may be overly optimistic, but I'm hoping this dropping of old hardware
> > is
> > more of a marketing-"ploy"..  (In addition to being a method of driving
> > revenues.)
> >
> >
> > jt
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
> > > [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Don
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:22 PM
> > > To: midrange-l@midrange.com
> > > Subject: Re: Upgrading V4R5 --> V5R1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm curious which model they're gonna drop with the 5.2 announcement...
> > >
> > > I just don't like this trend...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Glenn Ericson wrote:
> > >
> > > > --
> > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > > This is not  the official  announcement  but an official IBM URL that
> > > > states this.
> > > >
> > > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/support/planning/futu
> > > rehdwr.html
> > > >
> > > > At 09:58 PM 11/21/2001 -0500, Oludare wrote:
> > > > >Could you direct me to the IBM announcement that refers to model 510.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Glenn Ericson" <Glenn-Ericson@att.net>
> > > > >To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
> > > > >Cc: "Oludare" <oludare@ix.netcom.com>
> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 7:19 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: Upgrading V4R5 --> V5R1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > > > > At 06:51 PM 11/21/2001 -0500, "Oludare" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Hi guys,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I'm upgrading my OS, should I be concern about hardware or
> > software
> > > > > > >compatibility.  I currently have a 9406-510 2144.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Thanks
> > > > > > >_______________________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AS/400 Models 436, 40S, 500, 510, 530, 50S, 53S are not planned
> > > > > >   to be supported by OS/400 releases after V5R1.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Glenn
> > > > > > ________________________
> > > > > > Glenn Ericson,
> > > > > > Phoenix Consulting LLC ,  New York , NY USA
> > > > > > Ph.(718)898 9805  Fx .(718)446 1150
> > > > > > mailto:Glenn-Ericson@att.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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