RE: Web Development Software

[Chuck Lundgren <lundgren@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

No apology necessary --I wasn't offended. Thanks <g>.

Just a couple of comments:

1. FP 2000 allows you to configure it for cross-browser compatibility. As 
an aside, you can also set automatic spacing and indenting for all the 
tags. It's pretty slick.

2. I would argue the opposite of your stance: that a program like 
FrontPage, where you can first paint the screen, *then* see the HTML behind 
it, is vastly superior to first learning the HTML with an ASCII editor. 
Taking that a bit further, I'd say the real way to learn HTML is to save a 
web page into FrontPage, and toggle over into the HTML to see how it works.

3. FP 2000 can be extended with VBA. Again, pretty slick.

4. I have found that I can quickly design a page in FrontPage, then tweak 
the HTML and/or import it into ColdFusion when it's ready. FP is a 
phenomenal prototyping tool. As much as Microsoft gets a bad rep, there are 
a few tools the company does VERY well: FrontPage, Visual Basic, Word/Excel 
and Access.

  ... Chuck

At 06:27 PM 3/27/00 -0600, you wrote:

>I apologize for the slam, I have got to quit doing that. You are right
>once you get used to the interface of M$ frontpage or NS Navigator Gold or
>Composer they are very easy to use. And like I said it depends on what the
>sites intended audience, how large your site will be, how much control
>you want and how growable you want your site to be.
>
>I have argued before about the benefits of actually taking the time to
>learn HTML and I still believe that you need to know the code. That goes
>for any code generator IMO because EVERY, not some, code generator builds
>bloated code Frontpage, AS/SET, Delphi and so on. Not only that but you
>really need to go into the code and tweak it for cross browser
>compatability because Frontpage generates anything but cross browser
>compatable HTML.
>
>Now, for someone who is just begining to delve into HTML Frontpage is not
>N. O. T. the way to go. But I am not just picking on M$ here, it is a bad
>idea to get into the WYSIWYG habit before you actually understand HTML.
>Ask any old hand and they will tell you, "HTML in a Nutshell" and a
>plain ascii editor is the only way to learn HTML. Then when you have the
>markup language down, sorta, find the right web site management package
>WYSIWYS and all.
>
>HomeSite is perhaps not the best beginers editor but atleast you will be
>forced to grasp the language.
>
>On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Chuck Lundgren wrote:
>
> > I'm curious, have you used FP 2000? I don't consider myself a Microsoft
> > addict, but I really like FP. It isn't perfect, but it seems easier to use
> > than Homesite. IMHO.
> >
> >   ... Chuck
> >
> > At 03:32 PM 3/27/00 -0600, you wrote:
> > >Yeah, at the risk of stiring up M$ addicts frontpage is crap.
> >

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