Re: XML and AS/400 -- MIDRANGE-L

John,

And I get tired of hearing folks say "Java will take over the world,
spend a day with a book and you will be doing it".  Well, this is not
true (learning overnight, or IMHO, Java taking over the world).  BUT,
it (oo) IS worth doing.  Whether it be C++, Java, Smalltalk or it
sounds like Delphi; OO is a very good thing.

And again, As I said earlier, I know nothing about Delphi....so I can't
speak for it's "oo'ishness".  I do know about Java & C++.  Been using
C++ for a long time and Java just a bit.  Been doing RPG since before
time began (Sys/3's).

And perhaps sometimes I reply to quickly.  Something in L.S.'s post
pushed a button. Probably not his fault, defiantly mine for letting it
get pushed and then reacting publicly.

Humbly,
Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: John Hall <jhall@hillmgt.com>
To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: XML and AS/400


> I think leslie & jim and myself are just tired of hearing that Delphi
> isn't OO or c++ isn't OO unless you do it correctly but somehow java,
> however you do it, is OO.
>
> I was doing OO in c++ in 1992. <GEEZ ALERT>  Yeah all the buzz words
> (polymorphism, encapsulation etc).
> I mean FULL OO - every sense of the term.  Been working on PC based
OO
> stuff side by side with midrange ever since.
>   Yet 8 years later ....
>
> > > And using an OO language does NOT mean you use object oriented
design.
> I have heard that line hundreds if not thousands of times.  It almost
> always comes from someone who has dabbled in OO - not that there's
> anything wrong with that ;)
>
> So I guess some of us are a little worn down about hearing how
> complicated OO is and it seems that no matter what you say nobody
> believes that you are really doing OO.
>
>
> So maybe Jim isn't very exceptional - he's just as used to it as some
> others are used to RPG.
>   (not that he isn't of course)
>
> So please forgive us our thin skins on this one :)
>
> John
> >
> > Bob Crothers wrote:
> >
> > > L.S.,
> > >
> > > Rest assured, this is NOT what I was trying to say (that anybody
was "not
> > > intelligent").
> > >
> > > Most of the members on this list do fit into the "procedural
language"
> > > category because they are AS/400 folks.
> > >
> > > And using an OO language does NOT mean you use object oriented
design.  I
> > > wrote C using a C++ compiler for over a year.
> > >
> > > Object Oriented is not complicated...but it is DIFFERENT!  And it
takes time
> > > to learn.  But it is well worth learning.  Not because of Java,
but because
> > > of OO.
> > >
> > > If you are that rare exception that can move from a procedural
language to
> > > object oriented design in a matter of days and with no pain, then
one of 2
> > > things apply: You are using your OO language to do procedural
programming
> > > (very possible, even with Java), -or- you are one very
exceptional
> > > programmer and I am blinded by your brilliance.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Bob
> >
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