• Subject: Re: Re JBuilder
  • From: David Morris <dmorris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 15:53:32 -0600

Jon & Booth,

I can certainly attest to the difficulty of getting VARPG/CODE up and running 
in some environments.  It took us approximately 100 man hours.  We are a ways 
out in the country ourselves and it is difficult to just bring in a local 
expert.  So we made a lot of inquiries on the phone, and on the code list.  Our 
installation problems were caused by our network configuration.  I am no expert 
in our network configuration but it is easy to understand why problems could 
occur.  I am told that because we had a token ring card in our AS/400 connected 
to our network through a router that was connected to my box via a gateway, we 
had to have a router that supported source based routing or use an 802.2 
connection between the network and our AS/400.  There was also a switch 
involved somewhere.  In the end it was cheapest to buy an ethernet card and go 
with the 802.2 connection and bypass the router.

The latest version of Code/VRPG negates all of that trouble.  We can now 
connect directly with tcp/ip.  I think it is now finally ready for the masses, 
even though it is still a little rough in some NT environments (like ours).  
The only major complaint I have is with the documentation which is incomplete 
and about a release behind.

VisualAge Java is rough in all environments.  Still a baby.  I have installed 
it 4 times, applied 2 or 3 updates and only successfully created 3 programs and 
a few really basic applets.  Mostly that is my inexperience, but it is 
frustrating to import class libraries and get dozens of errors (even with the 
CODE/400 Jars) and not have any way of correcting the errors, or even ignore 
them.  But it has promise and really good support through the Usenet groups.  I 
have also had trouble bringing imported visual controls into the graphical 
editor.  In every case I had to start from scratch.  Probably more inexperience.


David Morris

>>> <boothm@ibm.net> 05/22 12:37 PM >>>
Jon, I'll reply here, for a couple of reasons: 

1) I get stuff wrong sometimes, so it'd be better if I say it in the open
in case I screwed up again. 

 2) my point of view may be shared, or not.  Others may wish to comment on

About VaRPG:  I haven't been able to get it to actually connect yet for a
lot of reasons, including the major reason of my not really being a guru
of anything, certainly not of AS/400 connectivity.  Hopefully the  newest
evaluation  version will work.  I just ordered it off the web site a few
days ago.  It said 3 to 5 weeks for delivery, or some such.  Maybe that'll
work out ok.

About Java...  I understood we'd get  the enterprise edition with our new
box last October, but it never showed up.  Are you suggesting that VAJ is
something that is easier to start frrom scratch with than is JBuilder?

(remember, Jon, we country boys have to start from what is in the package. 
There's no guy walking around that can answer a few simple questions to
get us started.)

In <5030200030074883000002L032*@MHS>, on 05/22/98 
   at 01:47 PM, Jon Paris <paris@ca.ibm.com> said:

>>>I guess its back to finding out what we can do with green screens, RPG,
>DDS, and CL.

>Two comments:  First, I'd be interested in knowing what it was about
>VisualAge for RPG that "drove you nuts" - private e-mail is fine if you
>don't want to go into it here.

>Second, why is VisualAge for Java not an option?  Just because JBuilder
>caused you problems is no reason to think that VAJ would do the same. 
>You can download the entry version from our website use
>www.software.ibm.com/ad/vajava as a starting point.  You can also get the
>Professional version at about $70 retail at various stores.  For serious
>AS/400 work you'd want the Enterprise edition which is a lot more
>expensive, but these would get you started and you can use the AS/400
>Toolkit with either.

>Jon Paris - AS/400 AD Market Support - paris@ca.ibm.com 
>Phone: (416) 448-4019   -   Fax: (416) 448-4414


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